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re: Need advice on a new PC
Posted on 3/20/13 at 5:08 pm to Mr Gardoki
Posted on 3/20/13 at 5:08 pm to Mr Gardoki
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just wish someone would do a build that isn't $1000 budget for once, including myself...
Its just such a good, round number. I speced a build for a friend recently that wanted to spend $1000. After a while he finally realized you may as well do $1300 because of what you get. We looked at EVERY piece of hardware he bought and every single time we said "well for $20 more..." and every single time it was worth it. Our "final budget" was bumping $1600 but we ended up spending closer to $1150. Mobo, CPU, ssd, and cpu cooler were a hair over $300 under budget due to us catching a great deal at microcenter
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Posted on 3/21/13 at 5:57 am to Srbtiger06
Every time Toms Hardware does a build they do a price value comparison and 1k wins just about every time. After that number you start to get gains but they get smaller and smaller at higher cost.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 7:20 am to Mr Gardoki
Price per performance is awesome and I use that for building family and secondary rigs.
When it comes to personal preference in the pursuit of performance.. Fckkkkkk price/performance ratios.
When it comes to personal preference in the pursuit of performance.. Fckkkkkk price/performance ratios.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 8:38 am to LSU Coyote
I'm too frugal to ever say that 
Posted on 3/21/13 at 1:56 pm to Mr Gardoki
Greetings PC Master Race,
I've been a Mac user for the last ten years or so but I am considering the move to PC and would like your suggestions on a build for hopefully less than a G. I'll be playing some games but I am primarily interested in a build for audio production.
Are certain processors better than others for this?
Do I need a special sound card or motherboard for this purpose?
I've always been a console player with games so I may be satisfied with something less than top notch graphics.
I'm pretty sure I will need two hard drives so I can store audio files on one. Would solid state be best for the audio files?
How much RAM should I get if I'm looking to be recording 24-32 tracks? I think 4 GB RAM or above is recommended.
I will be primarily running Pro Tools. Here are some system requirements listed on their website:
LINK
Looks like only NVIDIA graphics cards are supported:
LINK
I don't think I'll be getting into any advanced settings like overclocking as I really don't much about any of that.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
I've been a Mac user for the last ten years or so but I am considering the move to PC and would like your suggestions on a build for hopefully less than a G. I'll be playing some games but I am primarily interested in a build for audio production.
Are certain processors better than others for this?
Do I need a special sound card or motherboard for this purpose?
I've always been a console player with games so I may be satisfied with something less than top notch graphics.
I'm pretty sure I will need two hard drives so I can store audio files on one. Would solid state be best for the audio files?
How much RAM should I get if I'm looking to be recording 24-32 tracks? I think 4 GB RAM or above is recommended.
I will be primarily running Pro Tools. Here are some system requirements listed on their website:
quote:
Avid-approved Audio Hard Disk Drives for Pro Tools 10 Systems
The following disk drives have been tested and approved by Avid for use with Pro Tools HD 10.0 and Pro Tools 10.0 as Audio Record and Playback drives. Drive speed of 7200rpm or higher required.
Internal Drives
SATA
SAS (with HP Z-series computers ONLY)
SSD (Solid State Drives)*
LINK
Looks like only NVIDIA graphics cards are supported:
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For Windows Desktop Computers
Supported Nvidia Graphics Cards
NVIDIA Quadro 4000 2GB PCIe video board
NVIDIA Quadro 2000 1GB PCIe video board
NVIDIA Quadro 600 1GB PCIe video board
NVIDIA Quadro FX 4800 1.5GB PCIe video board
NVIDIA Quadro FX 3800 1.5GB PCIe video board
NVIDIA Quadro FX 1800 768MB PCIe video board
NVIDIA Quadro FX 580 512MB PCIe video board
NVIDIA Quadro NVS 290 256MB PCIe video board
Supported Nvidia Quadro Graphics Drivers
Quadro driver version 259.81 for Windows 7 64-bit (Windows Aero mode supported)
Quadro driver version 259.81 for Windows 7 32-bit (Windows Aero mode supported)
LINK
I don't think I'll be getting into any advanced settings like overclocking as I really don't much about any of that.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 2:15 pm to Decatur
My head hurts..
Why are you trolling? You know that is work station gpus with drivers which won't play most games very well.
Why are you trolling? You know that is work station gpus with drivers which won't play most games very well.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 2:18 pm to LSU Coyote
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Why are you trolling? You know that is work station gpus with drivers which won't play most games very well.
Trolling?
Dude I don't know shite about PCs
Edit: gaming is not a huge concern to me but I would like to be able to play at least some games
This post was edited on 3/21/13 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 3/21/13 at 2:37 pm to Decatur
quote:
Are certain processors better than others for this?
does the application make an effective use of multiple cores/threads?
quote:
Would solid state be best for the audio files?
SSDs costs quite a bit per GB compared to HDD.
I would run the applications on an SSD and get a large HDD to store all the finished files.
quote:
How much RAM should I get if I'm looking to be recording 24-32 tracks? I think 4 GB RAM or above is recommended.
8GB min. 12 would be better.
The graphics cards listed are workstation cards, which specialize in something completely different than gaming. ive got no experience at all at gaming on workstation cards.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 2:47 pm to jcole4lsu
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does the application make an effective use of multiple cores/threads?
I guess so. Here are some computers that have been tested and approved:
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Windows Desktops
Officially qualified with Avid and M-Audio FireWire and USB audio interfaces, M-Audio Delta series PCI interfaces, or standalone:
HP Z800 Workstation
12 core: Dual Xeon Six-Core "Westmere"
8 core: Dual Xeon Quad-Core "Nehalem"
HP Z400 Workstation
6 core: Xeon Six-Core "Westmere"
4 core: Xeon Quad-Core "Nehalem"
HP Z200 Workstation Intel Xeon or Core i5
HP Z210 Workstation Intel "Sandy Bridge"
Dell Precision T7500 Tower Workstation
Dell Precision T5500 Tower Workstation
Dell Precision T3500 Tower Workstation
Dell Precision T3400 Tower Workstation
HP xw8600 Workstation
HP xw4600 Workstation
LINK
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The graphics cards listed are workstation cards, which specialize in something completely different than gaming. ive got no experience at all at gaming on workstation cards.
yeah I'm guessing this could be an issue based upon the previous poster was saying. Again, I don't know anything about the nuts and bolts of PCs. Maybe there is something "in between" that may work? Dunno.
Something is telling me this might cost more than I'm thinking it will
Thanks for the response
Posted on 3/21/13 at 2:51 pm to Decatur
I think Tom's Hardware has done some reviews on gaming with workstation cards.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 2:57 pm to Decatur
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12 core: Dual Xeon Six-Core "Westmere"
8 core: Dual Xeon Quad-Core "Nehalem"
uhhh yeah that aint cheap.
Looks like the have only approved intel chips and nvidia cards. Unfortunately those are the most expensive brands in those two categories.
An i5 3570 is only around $400-450 when paired with a good motherboard. Im sure that will suffice. I'd have to do some research on the software to see if any AMD products are certified for it. ditto for higher end desktop graphics cards.
Some of the lower end builds you listed retail at about $1000, so im sure we can build you something better for that budget.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 3:10 pm to Mr Gardoki
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I think Tom's Hardware has done some reviews on gaming with workstation cards.
indeed it looks like they did.
the quadro 5000 and up look to have reasonable gaming performance, of course those run $1500 and up
Decatur its not looking good at $1000, at least not for gaming.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 3:13 pm to jcole4lsu
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I'd have to do some research on the software to see if any AMD products are certified for it. ditto for higher end desktop graphics cards.
Looks like it has been discussed on their message boards but it looks like Greek to me.
LINK
LINK
Looks like some people think AMD might not be best for a DAW but others say it will work. Who knows?
Posted on 3/21/13 at 3:14 pm to jcole4lsu
If I win te powerball I will build me an 16P 4xXeon monster.. Just cause. Idk why.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 3:15 pm to jcole4lsu
I think a 3570k and 660ti/670/680 would work for his needs. Throw in 16gb 1600 ram and he'll be fine.
$1000 is plenty to work with. He might need to bump to $1200 for the 680
$1000 is plenty to work with. He might need to bump to $1200 for the 680
Posted on 3/21/13 at 3:16 pm to Decatur
man id really like to know if the firepro7000 is approved, because it offers over a 50% bump in gaming performance and costs half of what the quadro 5000 does.
from what i have read, desktop graphics cards are a NO-GO. to run your program effectively you MUST use a workstation model.
eta: intel CPU ONLY. the program hates AMDs stock turbo boost.
from what i have read, desktop graphics cards are a NO-GO. to run your program effectively you MUST use a workstation model.
eta: intel CPU ONLY. the program hates AMDs stock turbo boost.
This post was edited on 3/21/13 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 3/21/13 at 5:17 pm to jcole4lsu
Just realizing my software version is different from the one I posted earlier. I might be able to get away with not going the workstation route. Will update when I know more.
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