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I love Davis but you can't say he's better than those guys based on what he might do. That's like saying Drummond is one of the best centers in the league.

I get what you're saying, but I'm not trying to project growth into future seasons.

I'm saying right now, if Davis were given 35+ MPG, he would be a near top 5 PF (statistically and legitimately).

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Aldridge has been a top 3 PF the last few years. Ibaka has made huge strides and may be the best in the bunch. Dirk and Smith have been doing it for years. Those 4 are better than everyone on your top list save Love and maybe Randolph.

Dirk's great, but getting older/hurt...AD is a better defensive player and rebounder.

You're probably right about Smith, but as a PF, I don't like his inefficiency from the field and the FT line.

I'm not a fan of Aldridge at all. He plays mediocre defense, rebounds pretty poorly considering the amount of minutes he plays, and has an average FG% for a PF.

I like Ibaka. He's efficient and a great shot-blocker. Outside of blocks though, he's putting up similar stats to Davis in more minutes (in his 4th season). I realize his stats may be diminished because of the team he plays on, and he should probably be higher than I put him.

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Posted on 3/12/13 at 12:28 am to drake20

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Davis should be a much better defender than both of those guys...Aldridge is a pretty weak rebounder. They're both not very good shot-blockers.

Ha drake i know, i just dont want to compare him to 2 1st ballot hall of famers before he plays 30 mins a game. thats all. I mean we all get it, IF AD played more minute he would be better. We all get it. But I do see alot of Monroe in him. I see a Duncan/ Monroe comparison. Facts are that he doesnt play alot of minutes and nobody knows why. Im just going off of what he has done with the time he has played. You cant say if he played 13 more minutes this would happen or that would happen. Thats pretty much assuming what would happen and that isnt a valid argument.

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Why is Lillard a more "total player" than Chris Paul?

Did i ever say that? No. Thought not. Thats just what the list has him as. And you cant say if Lillard played less minutes this is what he would average, just like you cant say if AD played more minutes this is what would happen. Thats a fantasy world. In the real world, Lillard is putting up great numbers and AD is putting up good numbers per minute. You are going off of what ifs and thats not legit. Go off of the numbers because they are the only thing that is real in this discussion. As one poster said, based off your argument Drummond is the best C in the game based off his minutes. And I like Drummond, but come on? No way thats real.

And i said DeRozan and Wade as examples because youre argument was that if your a good scorer as guard, you would be draining 3s all day, so thanks for proving my point. Wade and Derozan are 2 legit NBA scorers and they are guards, but they cant make 3s.

Stop acting like were saying Lillard is going to be better than Davis, because thats not what im saying at all. All im saying is both are legit NBA players and both have bright futures and will be at the top of the league one day. Cant hate on Lillard for playing more minutes than AD, just like I cant hate on AD for playing less minutes. Thats out of there control.

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Posted by KG5989

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Posted on 3/12/13 at 12:29 am to drake20

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I get what you're saying, but I'm not trying to project growth into future seasons.

I'm saying right now, if Davis were given 35+ MPG, he would be a near top 5 PF (statistically and legitimately).

Dude, thats exactly what you are saying. So its not legitimately. If it was legit, thats what he would be putting up, and hes legitimately not.

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Posted on 3/12/13 at 1:06 am to KG5989

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You cant say if he played 13 more minutes this would happen or that would happen. Thats pretty much assuming what would happen and that isnt a valid argument.

...but that's all WE can do. Speculation on Hornets players' statistics seems like a good thing to do on a Hornets message board.

Do I know Davis will do that much more in 10 more minutes a game? No....But based on the small sample I have, and what I have seen from in 30+ minute games (as well as all the other games and his per 36 numbers), I think he would average a double-double right now given Lillard/Aldridge minutes.

JMO

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Did i ever say that? No. Thought not. Thats just what the list has him as

That's why I put it in quotes. Was just pointing it out, not seriously asking you why you though Lillard was better than Paul...My point was that the list is flawed, with some high minutes players like Lillard/Deng being rated higher than they should.

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Thats a fantasy world. In the real world, Lillard is putting up great numbers and AD is putting up good numbers per minute. You are going off of what ifs and thats not legit. Go off of the numbers because they are the only thing that is real in this discussion.

It's all numbers, even the projections...Isn't there more to it than just Lillard's numbers? If we had a re-draft today, do you think most GMs would take Lillard with the 1st pick? They should based on the numbers/facts, right?

There's more to it than that...Also, Davis' numbers are impressive as well....Lillard has scored well, but Davis' stats otherwise are more impressive across the board.

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As one poster said, based off your argument Drummond is the best C in the game based off his minutes. And I like Drummond, but come on? No way thats real.

I didn't say that...IF Davis was given the big minutes, he WOULD BE a top PF, imo. He needs the opportunity, but he would excel if he got the shot...Of course, I don't know this for sure, but all I can do is speculate in these circumstances...I think the stats support it (doesn't always work out).

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And i said DeRozan and Wade as examples because youre argument was that if your a good scorer as guard, you would be draining 3s all day, so thanks for proving my point. Wade and Derozan are 2 legit NBA scorers and they are guards, but they cant make 3s.

The only point I made was that most of the starting PGs in the league that can score are good 3 point shooters.

...Scoring and 3-point shooting go hand-in-hand often for PGs (unlike for PFs).

I said that in response to you saying Lillard is an elite three-point shooter, which is not the case. So, thank you for proving my point.

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Stop acting like were saying Lillard is going to be better than Davis, because thats not what im saying at all. All im saying is both are legit NBA players and both have bright futures and will be at the top of the league one day. Cant hate on Lillard for playing more minutes than AD, just like I cant hate on AD for playing less minutes. Thats out of there control.

I'm not hating on anyone...I just don't agree that Lillard is definitely gonna be a top player at his position. I feel more confident that Davis will. I could be wrong. All I can do is call it like I see it with the small, 60 game sample.

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1st in steals (pretty impressive).

Overlooked this.
Future DPOY

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Posted on 3/12/13 at 1:15 am to KG5989

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I'm saying right now, IF Davis were given 35+ MPG, he would be a near top 5 PF (statistically and legitimately).

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If it was legit, thats what he would be putting up, and hes legitimately not.

There's an "if" in the statement...I don't know what to tell you.

...I think he would be if Monty gave him the minutes. It is impossible for me to have concrete evidence for this. Maybe if he plays big minutes for the rest of the season, we will be able to see if my prediction was accurate.

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Posted on 3/12/13 at 1:20 am to HeadyBrosevelt

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Overlooked this.
Future DPOY

yep...that wingspan

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Posted by KG5989

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Posted on 3/12/13 at 3:18 pm to drake20

Well he's shooting 36% from 3 this season and 43% from FGs. and is march he's averaging 24 points, 6 assists to 1.4 turnovers, 54% from the field and 43% from 3s. He's improving, just like all rookies do the more they play. He's pretty much improved every month he's been in the league. Look at the splits on the link below. In October he only played 1 game and had 6 TOs and that s his 1st game in the NBA. Other than that he's averaging around 3 TOs a game with 6 assists. A 2-1 TO ratio is great, but its not bad and its not like he's a turnover machine. And, like you said, he plays 36 minutes a night. You'd think he would turn it over more. There are #s that are a little exaggerated because of his minutes, but there also some stats that are impressive considering he plays so many minutes. And I agree that he does play a lot of minutes, but the blazers have 3 guys in the top 11 in MPG. They have the worst bench in the league so Aldridge, Batum, and Lillard play pretty much the entire game.

So we can speculate how good AD will be and how much he will improve, I get that, but we can't speculate that Lillard will improve too?

And no, Lillard wouldn't be the #1 pick in the draft, again I'm not comparing him with AD saying he's better. They are both going to be really good. But, it would go AD, Lillard, and most likely Drummond. Harrison Barnes has shown me some good things too. I agree with everything you said about AD and what would happen if he played so many minutes. Kid is gonna be a stud.

I just don't get why people speculate how good AD will be and how much he will improve, because he will be a stud I've already said that, but Lillard has already topped out in his 1st season? Doesn't make much sense to me.

Ha come on Drake Deng is 1 of the better forwards in the game and a great defender. Very under rated player. You know that. And that list just measures what they do this season, and CP has missed a lot of games so that's most likely why he's lower then would be.

He's pretty much a top 10 PG for this season. And he's top 20 in the NBA in scoring and assists. Pretty good for a rookie.

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