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LSU 76, Missouri 89 - Recap & SEC tournament seeding info

Posted on 3/4/13 at 8:10 am
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 3/4/13 at 8:10 am
LSU (17-10,8-8) was defeated by Missouri (21-8,10-6) Saturday night 89-76. The win moved Missouri to 16-0 at home this year. In the first half, LSU built a 13 point lead on the back of incredible three point shooting from Charles Carmouche and Anthony Hickey, but for every shot LSU made, Missouri made one as well. Missouri finished the half strong and went into the locker room up four. LSU wanted to keep it close enough to make a run at the end of the game, problem was, making a run would require some defensive stops.

Missouri scored at will. They had 52 points in the paint and 24 second chance points. LSU only had 24 points in the paint and 13 second chance points. Missouri shot 67% from two point range. While LSU had more offensive rebounds than Missouri (14-13) Missouri's offensive boards always ended with points. That being said, LSU played well offensively.

For the third time this year, LSU's three point percentage was higher than their two point percentage. LSU shot 41.2% from inside and 42.9% from deep. Add the 75% from the free throw line, and LSU shot relatively well, but it didn't compare to Missouri's potent offense. LSU was led by Anthony Hickey with 22 pioints, Charles Carmouche with 21 points, and Johnny O'Bryant with 18 points. Carmouche has scored over 20 points in four of his last five games. Anthony Hickey has his first zero assist game of the season. Charles Carmouche had 5 assists and 0 turnovers. As a team, LSU had 11 assists but only had 10 turnovers.



Charles Carmouche played the entire 40 minutes, while Hickey played 39. Both O'Bryant and Stringer played 36 minutes. The Tigers fought hard, but were overpowered by Missouri's big men. Both Laurence Bowers and Alex Oriakhi had double doubles. Missouri had 5 players score in double figures. At this point it's probably best to put this game behind us. LSU still has two games remaining with strong SEC tournament implications.



SEC TOURNAMENT SEEDING INFO




SEC Weekend Scores:

LSU 76, Missouri 89
Arkansas 73, UK 60
Florida 64, Bama 52
UGA 78, Tenn 68
aTm 74, S Car 56
Miss St 73, Ole Miss 67
Vandy 62, Aub 55

The SEC bubble teams did themselves no favors this weekend. Kentucky lost at Arkansas, Bama lost at Florida, Tennessee lost at Georgia, and Ole Miss lost at Mississippi State. While LSU dropped to 8th, LSU still sits only 1 game behind 6th place. Tennessee still plays at Auburn and against Missouri. Arkansas plays at Missouri and against Texas A&M. Both teams If Arkansas loses one, LSU can overtake them holding the tie breaker (head to head). Even more interesting than Arkansas, if Ole Miss loses to Alabama on Tuesday, LSU could pass them up with wins at Texas A&M on Wednesday and then the home finale against the Rebels.

The likelihood of passing up Tennessee isn't very high with the Volunteers holding the head to head advantage, but LSU could pass up Ole Miss and Arkansas to get to the 6 seed. Getting the 7 seed wouldn't be bad either still being on the opposite side of the bracket from Florida. LSU does want to stay out of the 8 or 9 seed that caries a quarterfinal matchup with Florida. LSU will likely have to win both of their remaining games to end up in the 6 seed spot.

BEST CASE SCENARIO:
Currently LSU sits in the 9 seed spot. The Tigers really need to play well at Texas A&M Wednesday night to position themselves. The most important non-LSU game left for our hopes of getting the 6 seed is the Alabama @ Ole Miss game Tuesday, March 5th. If Ole Miss loses, LSU will have the opportunity to pass Ole Miss if they win their last two. Arkansas plays at Missouri on Tuesday night as well. It could be a very good night for LSU. Arkansas only has 1 win away from home this year, and Missouri has 0 losses at home. That one should be in the bag. LSU holds the tie breaker against them.

There is a very interesting possibility of a 10-8 record log jam. If LSU is able to win their last two and have Arkansas and Tennessee each only win 1 of their final 2 (Both still play Missouri), coupled with a Bama win over Ole Miss on Tuesday, Tennessee, Arkansas, LSU and Ole Miss would end the season at 10-8. If that is the case, Ole Miss would receive the 5 seed, LSU the 6 seed, Arkansas the 7 seed, and Tennessee the 8 seed. This is the best case scenario for LSU. LSU can also get the 6 seed if Tennessee wins both of their remaining games, Arkansas loses one of their remaining games, and Ole Miss loses out. In that scenario the seeds would be: 5 Tenn, 6 LSU, 7 Ole Miss, 8 Arkansas.

WORST CASE SCENARIO:
If LSU loses their remaining two games, LSU could end up in the 10 seed. You would think that is the worst case scenario, but it would actually keep LSU in the same position that being 7th would, which is our second best match. What would be the worst, would be ending up in the 8th or 9th seed. That is where LSU currently sits. Winning one of the remaining two games will likely leave LSU in one of these spots. I do however feel like losing our last three games would be too bad of a momentum swing to want that to happen.

While the seeding would be better going 0-2, I would be worried about the team's attitude going into the game. Florida has shown they aren't unbeatable dropping three SEC contests away from home. While going 0-2 the remainder of the season would keep LSU on the side away from Florida, I think the confidence from beating and Ole Miss or another true road victory would be more beneficial. Either way, LSU still has a shot at being top 6 in the SEC and having a very legitimate shot at an SEC Tournament run if they win out and have Ole Miss lose to Bama Tuesday night.
This post was edited on 3/4/13 at 11:41 am
Posted by TXGunslinger10
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2011
17994 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 8:29 am to
I'd rather roll the dice on our seed and win the next 2.

South you nailed it...momentum going into the tournament does matter.
Posted by Tigerfan19
Member since Mar 2004
2118 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 8:30 am to
Well i'm headed to College Station this week to support the Tigers! Cant wait, wonder what section lsu fans will be in, i haven't bought my tickets yet. Should be a close game if we win i think we roll Ole Piss at home Saturday.
Posted by Circle K Beggar
Somewhere in the lower 48
Member since Feb 2011
6153 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 8:33 am to
I thought the guys put up a good fight Saturday, but winning in Columbia is TOUGH. It'd be like Mizzou football rolling into Death Valley on a Saturday night.
Posted by Pankins
Flahrida
Member since Oct 2010
1175 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 8:35 am to


excellent write-up, thanks!
Posted by pellietigersaint
Tiger Stadium
Member since Aug 2005
19043 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 8:35 am to
good stuff
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 8:35 am to
quote:

I'd rather roll the dice on our seed and win the next 2.

South you nailed it...momentum going into the tournament does matter.


If LSU wins the next two we will be either 6th or 7th. Either way that would be the best case.

Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 8:36 am to
quote:

I thought the guys put up a good fight Saturday, but winning in Columbia is TOUGH. It'd be like Mizzou football rolling into Death Valley on a Saturday night.


I agree. LSU just couldn't contain yalls bigs in the paint. Next year will be very exciting for LSU basketball. Lots of new big bodies to fill the painted area.
Posted by Ignignot
Member since Mar 2009
18823 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 8:39 am to
quote:

At this point it's probably best to put this game behind us. LSU still has two games remaining with strong SEC tournament implications.



Amen, Damn strong chance to win out this week.....You agree South?
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 8:57 am to
quote:

Amen, Damn strong chance to win out this week.....You agree South?


It is certainly possible. I think we will be the underdog in both, but if we play well, I could easily see us winning both.
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14509 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 9:05 am to
What do you think about Hammink coming in for Coleman instead of Courtney? I think this was only the second time CJJ decided to do this.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 9:11 am to
quote:

What do you think about Hammink coming in for Coleman instead of Courtney? I think this was only the second time CJJ decided to do this.


I really like it. I thought Hammink did great against Arkansas playing the 4. He is a better rebounder. He is long and more athletic than Courtney. Jalen is too weak down low. Doesn't have the mean streak you need to play post.
Posted by Ignignot
Member since Mar 2009
18823 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 9:26 am to
quote:

Doesn't have the mean streak you need to play post.


If i was a head coach and any player ever wanted to play post i'd let the whole team beat them up, just to keep them pissed off all the time.
This post was edited on 3/4/13 at 9:26 am
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 9:30 am to
Speaking of Shane though, I looked on my old autographed basketballs I have from 91 and 92 and there was old Geert.

I really need to get a ball autographed from this team. I feel close to them as a person. haha.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35359 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 9:42 am to
If Hickey plays the rest of the season like he did in the first half I think we will be fine the rest of the season and going into next year.

Carmouche has been awesome.

I would personally like to see Stringer come off the bench in future games like the "Microwave" did. What do you think?
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 9:45 am to
quote:

I would personally like to see Stringer come off the bench in future games like the "Microwave" did. What do you think?


I like Stringer off the bench. I had a feeling Coach was gonna go with the Senior over the Freshman going into Mizzou Arena though. And when Malik got into the game, he couldn't keep from fouling. He needs to fix that. He has the highest fouls/min on the team.
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
2650 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 10:34 am to
Well here we are at the end of the season again. Boy do these games fly by!

I feel we really need to win the next two to have a successful season. Forget about brackets. That's like playing not to lose in a tournament you know you aren't going to win.

I knew realistically we were probably only going to win 2 out of the last five but that loss to Missouri hurt too much. If we can pull off the next two we will have a great season considering what players we had. That should get us in the NIT and hopefully we can get a run going there.

But in advance to all the unknowing who will say we should win both easily because A&M is nothing (even though it is a road game) and Ole Miss is never any good (even though they have been better than us in basketball for a while) and it's a home game. These two will be nail biters just like every other SEC game that we have had a chance in. Let's just hope there are no blowouts and we can at least be competitive.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 10:39 am to
quote:

Well here we are at the end of the season again. Boy do these games fly by!


Wayyyy to fast.

quote:

I feel we really need to win the next two to have a successful season. Forget about brackets. That's like playing not to lose in a tournament you know you aren't going to win.


I think our season has already been a success. LSU has vastly improved, fan appreciation has increased, and the future looks very bright. This was a rebuilding year. I obviously think winning games no matter what is best. If LSU loses Wednesday, I still 100% want a victory over OM even if it puts us in 8th.

quote:

I knew realistically we were probably only going to win 2 out of the last five but that loss to Missouri hurt too much. If we can pull off the next two we will have a great season considering what players we had. That should get us in the NIT and hopefully we can get a run going there.


I felt pretty good about the loss at Missouri. We flexed our muscles for a bit, but Missouri is just too damn strong at home. We don't have the bodies this year to compete with Missouri. I think we knew that. Preseason most everyone was saying we would go 0-2 to Missouri. We held our own out there.

quote:

But in advance to all the unknowing who will say we should win both easily because A&M is nothing (even though it is a road game) and Ole Miss is never any good (even though they have been better than us in basketball for a while) and it's a home game. These two will be nail biters just like every other SEC game that we have had a chance in. Let's just hope there are no blowouts and we can at least be competitive.


100% agree. LSU will be the underdog in both games. Texas A&M is a solid club and beating them would be a very great accomplishment for LSU on the road. Ole Miss has struggled some lately, but they are a dangerous team who can be lights out for 40 minutes.
Posted by lwlsu96
Member since Oct 2011
5404 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:30 am to
Thanks for the scenarios


We are sitting a really good position for seeding. Just have to take care of our business and we will land a solid seed
Posted by JustSmokin
Member since Sep 2007
9150 posts
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:36 am to
The aTm game is important for our NIT hopes. I think we beat Ole Miss since they are unraveling. Win 2 this week and I think that locks up an NIT invite. Losing the aTm game means we'll have some work to do in the SECT.


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