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why wouldn't it be?

just because a recent congress continued to support a possibly unconstitutional law doesn't allow them to evade their intent

So I assume that you also think its appropriate for tghe President to impugn the motives of the Supreme Court in his State of the Union speech.






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ignore the federal courts


And lose all Federal funding. Would never happen in a million years.






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the USSC does this all the time

the entire point of this law is due to temporary scenarios that existed approximately half a century ago

basically the USSC initially upheld this law due not to underlying law, but due to how they felt they should shape society

if we can't go back and examine how society has changed, then discussing this law is pointless

That's called legislationg from the bench. I assumed you would be opposed to that.






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I B Freeman
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is there any difference between Ross Barnett's support of Jim Crowe laws and Eric Holders refusal to prosecute the New Black Panthers?

Just curious why anyone thinks today's federal government would be a better protector of voter's rights than any state government?






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It isn't as if members of congress don't impugn he motives of the court REGULARLY. Honestly, I think it's a testament to professionalism that the court doesn't lash back more often.

I mean, if we put all the barbs Scalia has ever leveled at congress on one side, and all the barb leveled at Scalia by congreeman on the other, we all know which side of that scale is gonna tilt.

Personally, I hold the Supreme Court to a much, much higher standard than I hold Congress. That's why they're given lifetime appointments. What percentage of Congress do you think could survive the Supreme Court confirmation process? 10%? 5%? Is there any doubt that Michelle Bachmann and Sheila Jackson Lee would get filibustered if they were nominated for the Court? Do remember what W's own party did to the Harriet Miers nomination?



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Until supporters of this part of the VRA call for the resignation of Holder's because of his treatment of the Philadelphia situation they have no real creditability.

Every time anyone brings up the Black Panthers in Philadelphia, all they're doing is revealing they're ignorance of the laws dealing voter intimidation/suppresion and that particular Philadelphia district.
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But to the original point--I see no Constitutional authority for the federal government to impose federal oversight over some states and not others. If you think that is ok then maybe Obama should just raise federal states in the states he carried since he so determined to raise taxes?

Why should everyone be put on probation when only a few broke the law? That's called collective punishment. It's why so many folks oppose gun control laws, which punish law-abiding gun owners along with criminals.






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the point of the USSC is to ensure what congress does is legal


Not exactly, Judical Review was not included in the constitution and was established by SCOTUS themselves in Marbury v. Madison (1803) FWIW







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I B Freeman
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Every time anyone brings up the Black Panthers in Philadelphia, all they're doing is revealing they're ignorance of the laws dealing voter intimidation/suppresion and that particular Philadelphia district.


BS. Tell me if Holder would have allowed hooded klan members at any poll place? He would have "found" law to stop that you know it. How come Bush's AG was ready to prosecute and Obama decided not too? Same laws were in place.

You are simply trying to rationalize away the actions of Holder because you do not really want voter protections if it means embarrassing Obama.

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Why should everyone be put on probation when only a few broke the law? That's called collective punishment. It's why so many folks oppose gun control laws, which punish law-abiding gun owners along with criminal


Probation?? How could any one have violated the VRA act before it was passed? They picked the states they wanted in the law and applied it to them without even waiting to see if there were violations after the act was passed. They never even checked the other states to see if they complied with the law. It should have included all states from the beginning.






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is there any difference between Ross Barnett's support of Jim Crowe laws and Eric Holders refusal to prosecute the New Black Panthers?

Just curious why anyone thinks today's federal government would be a better protector of voter's rights than any state government?

That's like comparing apples to paper clips, there's no comparison. Barnett defied a Federal court order and denied Mississippi's Black citizens their 4th Amendemnt rights. There's no law against poll watching. And FYI, that Philadelphia precinct voted 95% for John Kerry in 2004 and no one in that district filed charges in either 2008 or 2012. Here's what real voter intimidation looks like:







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BS. Tell me if Holder would have allowed hooded klan members at any poll place? He would have "found" law to stop that you know it. How come Bush's AG was ready to prosecute and Obama decided not too? Same laws were in place.

There's no law against poll watching. What part of that don't you understand? If the KKK wants to poll watch, the only thing they would probably be forced to do is remove their hoods so that their faces would be visible.

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Probation?? How could any one have violated the VRA act before it was passed? They picked the states they wanted in the law and applied it to them without even waiting to see if there were violations after the act was passed. They never even checked the other states to see if they complied with the law. It should have included all states from the beginning.


The 15th Amendment was 100 years old at the time the Voting Rights Act was passed. There had already been decades of documented misbehavior and thousands of complaints filed by Black folks all over the South. I don't know how old you are, but you really need to educate yourself on the history of Jim Crow if you don't believe that Black folks were being denied their 15th Amendment rights.






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You are no different than those people in that picture looking at those folks hanging. I am sure they rationalized away the inaction of the political leaders of the time just as you rationalize away the inaction of Holder and Obama. Oh the black panthers didn't hang anybody--yet--for voting wrong but the truth of the matter is that in precincts all over the South Jim Crowe laws are enforced with out hangings and the people rationalized away their enforcement just as you do today.

You really do not think those voting results in Philadelphia are legit do you? In your wildest dreams do you ever think Holder will challenge a vote in Philadelphia?

I give up. There's no cure for the willful ignorance that ails you.






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So I assume that you also think its appropriate for tghe President to impugn the motives of the Supreme Court in his State of the Union speech.

i don't care about that. the president runs one branch of the government. the USSC is another branch. they have their own interests and roles. i mean imagine a president enacting an illegal executive order...do you think he won't justify this if it goes up for judicial review?






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That's called legislationg from the bench. I assumed you would be opposed to that.

no

legislating from the bench is creating law as the courts see fit. calling laws unconstitutional is the opposite of that






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You are no different than those people in that picture looking at those folks hanging. I am sure they rationalized away the inaction of the political leaders of the time just as you rationalize away the inaction of Holder and Obama. Oh the black panthers didn't hang anybody--yet--for voting wrong but the truth of the matter is that in precincts all over the South Jim Crowe laws are enforced with out hangings and the people rationalized away their enforcement just as you do today.

You really do not think those voting results in Philadelphia are legit do you? In your wildest dreams do you ever think Holder will challenge a vote in Philadelphia?

I give up. There's no cure for the willful ignorance that ails you.


Your argument fails in every post. You say the 15th amendment was 100 years old and that is true but if the VRA was to guarantee those rights already granted by the 15th amendment then just how could it possibly be applied to just a few states Constitutionally??

Why you refuse to see the failure of the federal government in Philadelphia is beyond me. The point is the VRA is enforced when politicians want to enforce it and federal politicians are no different than state politicians. Holder refusing to enforce the law is no different that Barnett refusing a federal order and you are no different in defense of Holder than those who defended Barnett.

Maybe you will put aside your "willful ignorance" when you read the testimony of a man charged with enforcing this law before the commission on civil rights. You probably will be less interested in his investigation of blacks in Noxubee County MS for refusing whites the vote.

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Here's what real voter intimidation looks like:

and when was the last time we saw that?

do you think striking down section 5 will lead to the revival of lynchings?






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You can argue that the probation has lasted long enough and they should be let off, but the principle of closer scrutiny of proven past offenders is sound.


It's not up to the Court to determine whether it has lasted long enough...that's Congress's job. The Court only determines Constitutionality. Anything the Court does beyond this is judicial activism IMO.






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It's not up to the Court to determine whether it has lasted long enough...that's Congress's job. The Court only determines Constitutionality.

isn't the whole basis of the VRA a question of equal protection? that's right in the wheelhouse of the USSC

if the courts initially partook in judicial activism when creating things like suspect classes, i don't see it as judicial activism in removing these classes. it's doing the opposite, acutally






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quote: In 2007, the U.S. Senate and W unanimously disagreed. Do you want judicial activists to overturn a law that was renewed 98-0 in the Senate and 390-38 in the House?

If it's unconstitutional, yes.


It's already been held constitutional several times. How exactly does something become unconstitutional due to the mere passage of time?






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How exactly does something become unconstitutional due to the mere passage of time?

how do things like suspect classes get created in courts over time?

how did plessy ever get overturned if not for passage of time and changing societies?

how did the commerce clause get expanded, and expanded, and expanded, if not for passage of time?






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