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KrushGroove
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I would too. But, wouldn't that cause overcrowding in some schools. What would be the cut off or way of limiting too much growth in one school? Grades, standardized tests, etc. I would be all for separating by ability, but there will always be cries of racism regarding it.


this isn't the thread for it, but there are a lot of options for controls established for this potential issue, as well as others. I think we have the means to do it, but it's a matter of political will. Part of it means divorcing ourselves from notions of measures and achievements like is found in standardized testing and implementing more reasonable intentions, incl. expanding vocational track options (as an example).

Places all over do these sorts of things, some of which we can learn from, and there's a link to this thread, if there is one, I suppose.






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Zed
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Polls have shown that minorities, especially blacks, support school choice.
It would seem to be an issue they could use to increase minority support if they would make the case effectively, which shouldn't be that hard.






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KrushGroove
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which shouldn't be that hard.


it shouldn't, but again politics is the reason. Jindal, for example, isn't exploring options that would actually improve the system most for kids in need. It's political pandering and until he or someone else actually puts kids first and pursues policy with that emphasis, the case won't be made at all, much less effectively.






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WildTchoupitoulas
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I guess I won't argue healthcare as a right per se,

9th Amendment could be argued for healthcare as a right.

I'm with you on this 100%, btw.






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HailHailtoMichigan!
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US healthcare went to shite when government got involved in the insurance market in the 1960s with Medicare. Period. Government should completely get out of it.

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a want
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You're STILL counting on people to get the preventative care and checkups. For the majority, that won't happen.


Do you think people don't get preventative care because they're lazy or because they can't afford it?






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Antonio Moss
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Much worse?? Those countries have better healthcare, by almost every measurable metric.


Meh. Check out survival rates for your top killers (heart disease, cancer, infectious disease, accidental trauma). That's probably is the most accurate indicator as it has the least non-health care related variables.






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Tiger n Miami AU83
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Personally, I do not think everyone is entitled to healthcare. I think that is silly.

The problem of course is we all end up paying for it because those without insurance are treated in the ER anyway.

Really sorta annoys me that people that do not contribute anything still receive care that others pay for, but I can understand not letting people die by not admitting to the ER though.

Military pisses me off as well because they are wasteful beyond all belief. They have to try VERY damn hard to waste money constantly just to make sure their funding in their lil area of the military doesn't get cut constantly. Really infuriating.

And while I am at it, I will throw in police chiefs and fire chiefs and union leaders at the state level. They are basically all a bunch of thieves stealing taxpayer money as well.






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Srbtiger06
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Military pisses me off as well because they are wasteful beyond all belief. They have to try VERY damn hard to waste money constantly just to make sure their funding in their lil area of the military doesn't get cut constantly. Really infuriating.


This happens in pretty much everything at every level. I'm all for cutting the fat but the DoD isn't alone.






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texashorn
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You're STILL counting on people to get the preventative care and checkups. For the majority, that won't happen.
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it WILL cut down on people taking their kids to the ER with a sore throat. I guarantee that.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

The biggest users of emergency rooms are not the uninsured, it's Medicaid users, by a hefty margin.

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The biggest users of emergency rooms by far are Medicaid recipients.


Associated Press medical writer, as published in USA Today

This link details two studies that proved as such:

LINK

One could argue that Medicaid patients are seeking emergency care in such numbers because they are in poor health -- but that would undermine the notion that access to preventive care leads to fewer ER visits (which has indeed been disproved by a study published in The New England Journal of Mediciine).

Others could argue that it's because they are not seeking preventive care and are using the emergency room as a matter of convenience (no waits) or pure neglect/ignorance.

I tend to believe the latter scenario.



Also, I noticed in an earlier post that you stated uninsured people can be turned away in emergency situations. That is not true, that's been against the law since the mid-1980's. Will they get it for "free"? No. Will they get the treatment? Yes. But of course, that's also a double-edged sword that has added to increased healthcare costs.




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That reminds me. Cut social security. it needs to be privatized big time. Make a new law where people only receive what they 've paid in in their life over the next 2 years and then end the motherfricker.

Well, that sounds good, but even if you ended Social Security tomorrow as we know it, the taxpayers are still on the hook for the $2.5 trillion Social Security "Trust Fund" that has been borrowed by the government for general spending, and replaced by treasury securities (IOU's) that will have to be repaid by us, the taxpayers (unless there's some sort of default involved).

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AUsteriskPride
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Moustache


In all honesty, deregulating the health care industry and getting the government out of it would make health care affordable to most. It also gives them incentive to live healthier lives. Before you tell me deregulating will make it less safe, doctors would still have to carry malpractice insurance.

Sorry, but I'm not for a system that allows people to be as unhealthy as they please and not pay the difference for their decisions. At the same time, I'm not for a "defense" budget that pays for military adventurism. To answer your question though, I'd rather have a "defensive" military and an unregulated (by government) health care system.



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Diamondawg
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deregulating the health care industry
What does this mean?






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AUsteriskPride
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What does this mean?


This MD gives his take

LINK






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Diamondawg
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I was wondering from your take, which regulations are good and which are bad. For instance, JCAHO is voluntary in most instances but it does add tremendous costs to your operating budget by staying prepared for inspections. Is it worth the cost by making you a better healthcare provider?





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AUsteriskPride
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I was wondering from your take, which regulations are good and which are bad


In all honesty, I can't find any health care regulation worth keeping, they are all regulations on top of regulations. The biggest for me would definitely be the FDA if I had to chose just one. With todays technology and means of instant communication, the free market is more than capable of finding affordable sufficient healthcare for all involved. Private rating companies - which are even used in todays heavily regulated market - would help you find a doctor that fits your budget and needs. We use private licensing/certifications when searching for skilled labor in almost every other facet of our life, why not healthcare? For those that can't afford the cheaper deregulated healthcare, charity is more than capable of absorbing that.

The term "better" healthcare provider just means you're spending extra resources and manpower to skirt within regulations. That doesn't mean the patient will receive better care, the Dr. will just be able to circumvent some liability. Remember, most that made these regulations are politicians not doctors. What the frick do they know about healthcare?

Once the government controls the means of your health and nutrition, what else is left?



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AUsteriskPride
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Do you think people don't get preventative care because they're lazy or because they can't afford it?


Most times it's because they can't afford it. But you're asking the wrong question - why can't they afford it would be the better question.






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Diamondawg
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I can't find any health care regulation worth keeping
So anyone can be a doctor, dentist, NP or PA? Anyone with a garage could produce and sell Prozac, Digoxin or an MRI device? Agree, almost anything Medicare or Medicaid has added tremendous cost and unnecessary regulation and oversight to healthcare. No regulations though is foolish. To unravel what has been done is quite difficult if not impossible, unfortunately. Even worse, people who have no clinical training with political agendas are making the rules now. It will never be the same. It's bad now but it won't be recognizable in a few years. Sad!






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AUsteriskPride
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So anyone can be a doctor, dentist, NP or PA?


Of course not.. Are you under the assumption that it takes government to achieve certifications? Do you believe anyone could gain malpractice insurance without certain certifications? Private certifications would be exponentially better, because they'd most certainly have medical professionals overseeing their requirements.

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No regulations though is foolish.


Why? Regulations do not help a trained individual do a better job, they only add cost. You're assuming the medical institution wouldn't regulate internally to minimize costs and lost reputation. You're also taking for granted the ease of access to knowledge now.



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Diamondawg
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Of course not.. Are you under the assumption that it takes government to achieve certifications? Do you believe anyone could gain malpractice insurance without certain certifications? Private certifications would be exponentially better, because they'd most certainly have medical professionals overseeing their requirements.

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No regulations though is foolish.



Why? Regulations do not help a trained individual do a better job, they only add cost. You're assuming the medical institution wouldn't regulate internally to minimize costs and lost reputation. You're also taking for granted the ease of access to knowledge now.



Oh. You are one of those.






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AUsteriskPride
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Oh. You are one of those.


Sure.






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