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Yes, Dems Have A Structural Advantage in Sequestration Fight



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But there’s much more at play here than public opinion, the relative popularity of a “balanced approach” to deficit reduction, and the challenging environment some Democrats will face in 2014.

The most important factor in this fight is probably the reality that Obama doesn’t have to face voters again and thus is willing to veto sequestration replacement bills if they’re composed of spending cuts alone. Congressional Democrats are fully aware of this, too, and that creates a powerful incentive for them to hold the line.

So sequestration will begin. Obama won’t cave. And then the tension sequestration was intended to create — and in fact has created — between defense hawks and the rest of the GOP will intensify and actually splinter the party. If that doesn’t happen quickly enough, then the sequestration fight will become tangled up in the need to renew funding for the federal government at the end of March. If Republicans don’t cave before then, they’ll precipitate a 1995-style government shutdown, public opinion will actually begin to control the outcome, and it’ll be game over.







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But there’s much more at play here than public opinion, the relative popularity of a “balanced approach” to deficit reduction, and the challenging environment some Democrats will face in 2014.


Tax increased hit Jan 1. Spending cuts hit Mar 1.

How is that not balanced?






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Obama is truly sinister if this is the case and cannot be considered the President of the country, but merely the president of the power-drunken democrat party.





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Yes, Dems Have A Structural Advantage


In pretty much everything including the media.... congrats. We'll see how things turn out in about 3-5 years.






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cannot be considered the President of the country, but merely the president of the power-drunken democrat party.


It would be difficult to create a more meaningless or cliche word salad. Throw in "Muslim Socialist Kenyan" for good measure.






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It would be difficult to create a more meaningless or cliche word salad. Throw in "Muslim Socialist Kenyan" for good measure.








Says the man caught in a lie in his sig-line about being a Virginia Law grad.






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PRK
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We'll see how things turn out in about 3-5 years.


It's an interesting observation. Some would argue that no matter how things are, the opposition party will claim that the sky is falling and your civil rights are being destroyed.

The same can be said for the opposition during the Bush years. Then again, Bush did start a meaningless war, destroy a surplus, and oversee an economic collapse.






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Says the man caught in a lie in his sig-line about being a Virginia Law grad.



I think you have the wrong person?






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the relative popularity of a “balanced approach” to deficit reduction

the current "balanced approach" includes multiple tax increases and the deficit growing larger.

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If Republicans don’t cave before then

they wont

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hey’ll precipitate a 1995-style government shutdown, public opinion will actually begin to control the outcome, and it’ll be game over.

completely inaccurate. sequestration and govt shutdown are two completely different things and have different triggers. there will be no govt shut down.

you (and the author) should have watched newshour on pbs last night.






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Sounds about right to me!!





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Then again, Bush did start a meaningless war, destroy a surplus, and oversee an economic collapse.

a war Obama has continued to waste money on

Bush didn't destroy any surplus, and his tax plans led to the biggest tax receipt revenue years in history

and he has nothing to do with the "economic collapse"






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And I think his point was that the sequestration debacle is symptomatic of a greater inability in Washington to compromise on anything

both the GOP and DEMs continue to refuse to do the one thing we need: spending cuts in medicare, medicaid, social security, welfare, and defense






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And I think his point was that the sequestration debacle is symptomatic of a greater inability in Washington to compromise on anything -- eventually resulting in a 90's style shutdown.

his point was this was somehow going to end up in a massive win for the Dems. he somehow overlooked the fact that there are plenty of Dems - especially in the house - that see sequestration as a death sentence to their reelection hopes.






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He's sinister because he wants his policies implemented??





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If not for the media it would be a disadvantage.

Mismanagement of the cuts to create excessive pain by the population should discredit the administration with the public, except for those who believe you can indefinitely continue to spend money you dn't have.






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Read between the lines guys and girls; it has everything to do with politics, getting more political power and nothing to do with what is best for our economy and our country.

While people worry about theirjobs, or about getting jobs our leaders are focused on political brinksmanship and checkmating their opponents.

The balanced approach is BS, there are no compromises. It's all what Obama wants or has wanted. He presents the idea of a sequester to cut some spending and the Republicans accept the compromise and raise the debt ceiling; but when it's time to cut Obama feigns outrage, proclaims a crisis and the chess match is back on.

Obama has run for election saying one thing and while in office has done quite a few 180s in order to further a liberal agenda. Few are really outraged, and Obama lies are fluffed off as typical politcs and commentators say "so what, they all do it."

But if they all do it, does that make it right for America? Does that provide for the best interest of the country?

Liberals believe it does, while conservatives say hell no.

It's time to draw a line in the sand. If we can't find a civil way to cut 85 billion out of a budget approaching 4 trillion a year and almost a trillion in the red; then we have no chance at all to curtail spending.

We aren't going to be able to grow our way out either. Obama's economy won't permit the kind of growth we need to fund his plan.

Schemes to tax transactions will be next, schemes to tax wealth will follow. It's inevitable.






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The balanced approach is BS, there are no compromises. It's all what Obama wants or has wanted. He presents the idea of a sequester to cut some spending and the Republicans accept the compromise and raise the debt ceiling; but when it's time to cut Obama feigns outrage, proclaims a crisis and the chess match is back on.


Serious question: do you think he's a bad President because he tries to get what he wants? Or more specifically, do you think that is one of the qualities that makes him a bad President? Do you think this is a unique characteristic in the history of the American Presidency?






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I understand Obama hyping up the cuts in order to put pressure on Repubs. That's budget politics 101.

But I don't think he will intentionally maximize the pain of the cuts to score political points.

If he does, I will move from conservative who thinks Obama is a decent guy who just has a more liberal/interventionist policy than I do, to the "he is intentionally trying to destroy the country" camp.

Ultimately I am betting he will try to manage the cuts as best he can (to the political benefit of Republicans) as opposed to trying to create mayhem and devastating cuts (to the political detriment of Republicans).






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"he is intentionally trying to destroy the country" camp



In what universe would this ever be the actual truth?



This "camp" is a hop skip and a jump away from the birthers.






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Antonio Moss
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Serious question: do you think he's a bad President because he tries to get what he wants? Or more specifically, do you think that is one of the qualities that makes him a bad President? Do you think this is a unique characteristic in the history of the American Presidency?


No, I don't think he's a bad President because he tries to get what he wants. He's a bad President because what he wants are policies that increase his party's voting base and immediate approval number but are extremely harmful to the economy.






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