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Powerman
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What does jealousy have to do with this?

It's an interesting discussion IMO






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Walking the Earth
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Yep machines will assist Drs like they do now.


That's basically the endgame. Enhanced computational abilities will serve to make doctors better and more efficient at their jobs, just like any other tool.

It won't replace them. Too many technological and, quite frankly, sociological and political hurdles to overcome.






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It won't replace them. Too many technological and, quite frankly, sociological and political hurdles to overcome.


Naw Powerman says gleefully that it will crush doctors by 2035 bank it, they are in his mind a dying breed.






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It won't replace them.

Not all of them

But certainly most of them






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Bloomberg

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The safety of robots made by Intuitive Surgical Inc. (ISRG) is being probed by U.S. regulators, raising questions about the prospects of one of the hottest technologies in health care.


Interesting articles that are on topic

Current systems are master/slave (official term, no ban please ). The system does not work independent of human input.

Most of the issues above are people trying to do things they were not trained to do in an attempt to keep up with other physicians who were.

The technology is solid and gives great results in the right hands..



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Objectively analyze all the data and come up with solutions that are based on that data.


We are so, so far from this it isn't even funny. We can't even begin to do this with relatively easy problems, and you know why...too much data. When I started working at N SA the earth science application was a program to use all of the satellites to solve 12 national applications. One of the was forest fires...there are already thermal imaging satellites up there that broadcast the data down. All we needed was a way to ingest the data and have the computer be smart enough to identify what parts are fires that need tending to...Yea, too big of a problem...

Another application with those thermal satellites is agriculture competitiveness...if the temp a crops leaves are higher than the ambient air then it is stressed and needs water...easy. Nope.

The two sets of data are the same set really and there in lies the problem. Macro vs micro and how to comb through and solve the problem at hand. We don't even know how humans work much less well enough to come up with ingenious solutions. We are fricking dumb with data and unless we figure out how to get people all over the world to work on the same problem, hello internet, we will never be able to ingest it all. But we are more interested in shiny things that make a bunch of noise.



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Not all of them

But certainly most of them


I can't really see that (except in the extreme long term, possibly) and certainly not in the general time frame that you seem to be discussing.

It takes close to a decade for a drug to get approved.

Interestingly enough, and you seem to have missed this, but if we ever had a computerized/robotic alternative to doctors, the place to actually test the viability would be the undeveloped third world.



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but if we ever had a computerized/robotic alternative to doctors, the place to actually test the viability would be the undeveloped third world.

But for the profession to contract you don't need this

You can still have some surviving doctors with most of them being replaced by machines in the first world

The machines will act as intellectual consultants of sorts. And much of the work that doctors do will be consumed by machines. Meaning that you can get the same work done with far fewer doctors.






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The machines will act as intellectual consultants of sorts.


Consulting who?






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We are so, so far from this it isn't even funny. We can't even begin to do this with relatively easy problems, and you know why...too much data.

IBM is projecting "big data" to be a big part of their business moving forward. They're expecting something like 15 billion in revenue just from "big data"

And 25 years is a very long time in tech terms so it doesn't matter that we're "so far away from it" because "it's a very long time"






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SmackoverHawg
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My mom for instance has been seeing a specialist that can't diagnose whatever sickness she has. She's on doctor's 3rd and inaccurate guess by my count.

All the doctor has done is make poor guesses and put her on medicine that hasn't really helped much. The art/instinct bull shite isn't working out so great for her unfortunately.

When superior machines are more accurately providing diagnosis, it will be a good thing. And I could give a frick if you dart throwers lose your jobs.

I'm the go people come to when they need to get shite solved. Sometimes specialists don't spend the time needed to listen to the pt. Of course I have no idea what her problems are, but she may want to see a good diagnostician. If humans don't know, a machine isn't going to do it though.

You must have had some bad experiences with doctors, but that doesn't mean all of us are inept. You may be expecting too much as well. Not everything can be fixed. People will get sick and die whether machines treat them or we do. Maybe they could run her data through the Watson and use it as a TOOL to assist them.






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I'm the go people come to when they need to get shite solved. Sometimes specialists don't spend the time needed to listen to the pt.

I read somewhere that the average doctor interrupts their patients after about 18 seconds or something weird like that

Perhaps if they'd listen they would get more information that would be useful to them

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If humans don't know, a machine isn't going to do it though.


Wrong

Watson has already proven that it can find pretty uncommon things based on patient history and symptoms that a mediocre doctor couldn't pick up on

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You must have had some bad experiences with doctors, but that doesn't mean all of us are inept.

Personally I have had pretty good experience with doctors. I've been fortunate enough not to have any tough to diagnose problems however.

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Maybe they could run her data through the Watson and use it as a TOOL to assist them.


Sure. But as more and more research data is compiled, the machine gets better and better at accessing information that is too overwhelming for even hundreds of humans to keep up with.

At some point it won't be just a tool, it will be the brains behind the entire operation. And doctors will be relegated to merely transmitting data to the machine.






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SmackoverHawg
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humans don't know, a machine isn't going to do it though.




Wrong

Watson has already proven that it can find pretty uncommon things based on patient history and symptoms that a mediocre doctor couldn't pick up on

A human has to program the machine.






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Powerman
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A human has to program the machine.


Right. It won't be a doctor "programming" the machine though.






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I'm rich and I hoard wealth

Have not read the thread, but I really hope to be one of these people one day.






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SmackoverHawg
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I'm rich and I hoard wealth



Have not read the thread, but I really hope to be one of these people one day.

Don't be a doctor. Powerman says we're all going be out of a job by 2035 and computers will perform ALL healthcare except a few surgeries. Don't despair. He said there will be an ongoing need for bartenders because a machine could nevr replace them. Seriously, no joke.






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Walking the Earth
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Right. It won't be a doctor "programming" the machine though.


A doctor is going to have to monitor/cross check it, though.

At the very least, the doctor is going to have to be around as a (presumably very inferior) backup.







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Powerman
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At the very least, the doctor is going to have to be around as a (presumably very inferior) backup.


Sure. But will you need as many doctors as you do now just to act as backup?

It's going to be on autopilot and the doctor will likely just apply a sanity check to it






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Don't be a doctor.

I could never be an MD, but will be a PhD within the year. Hope I don't suffer the same fate.
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there will be an ongoing need for bartenders

and barbers...I guess if that whole PhD thing doesn't work out, I could go to beauty school.






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SmackoverHawg
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Yeah. That Arkansas fan that sounds like he barely graduated high school. He is a doctor.

My money is on the machines.

And a damn good one. Highest GPA in my class until I made one B in a rotation I missed a week of for the birth of my daughter. Test scores were through the roof,but got dinged for my abscences. Also won an award for highest grade in microanatomy and an another for anatomy. Both had substantial scholarships associated with them. Had the highest board score in the country on microanatomy and biochemistry finals. Academic scholaships are hard to come by at that level. I came outta school owing $20,000. The rest was paid for with merit based scholarships. Don't let my verbage fool you, I'm an educated redneck. What's your qualifications P-man? Oh and 99.9% on my national boards (step 1 and 2)

Now pardon me while I drive to Hot Springs to relax in my luxurious lake home p-man. Got a horse running at Oaklawn tomorrow. Will check back in later to antagonize you.






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