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Posted on 2/20/13 at 10:56 am to CocomoLSU
Posted on 2/20/13 at 10:56 am to CocomoLSU
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For a while, I lost interest in Disney animated movies. So stuff like Hunchback, Mulan, Lilo & Stitch, etc. are ones that I never had a desire to watch as a teenager.
well said.
damn I appreciate everything said in this thread and the seriousness that has been taken on the topic
these & overanalyzing movie threads are why I love this board 
My rankings:
1) Lion King
2) Aladdin
3) Beauty & The Beast
4) Little Mermaid
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Posted on 2/20/13 at 10:58 am to AstroTiger
quote:
overanalyzing movie threads
No one around here over-analyzes anything around here...
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:08 am to Freauxzen
So you are saying the Beast is the antagonist and the protagonist in B&tB? Man vs himself?
This post was edited on 2/20/13 at 11:09 am
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:10 am to DelU249
1. Aladdin
2. Lion King
3. BatB
4. Little Mermaid
2. Lion King
3. BatB
4. Little Mermaid
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:14 am to Freauxzen
Man, I'm looking at a list of "Walt Disney Animated Classics" and I don't see how their animation department was on the brink of extinction in the 80s. Black Cauldron was a bust, but all of the other movies either made money or made a shite pile of money. Granted, I'm only looking at box office on this list, but that doesn't include video sales and other merch.
Also, the amount of money Disney made from their animated films over the years is mind-boggling. One thing I like to do for fun sometimes is use the inflation calculator to see just how much money this movie made in 1940, or just how rich this guy was in 1845. In today's dollars, Disney films used to rake in BILLIONS. It's insane.
I'm about to go on a buying spree and pick up a lot of the Disney movies I either didn't watch (but think I'd like) or lost touch with over the years. This could get ugly (but thanks, Amazon gift card
).
Also, the amount of money Disney made from their animated films over the years is mind-boggling. One thing I like to do for fun sometimes is use the inflation calculator to see just how much money this movie made in 1940, or just how rich this guy was in 1845. In today's dollars, Disney films used to rake in BILLIONS. It's insane.
I'm about to go on a buying spree and pick up a lot of the Disney movies I either didn't watch (but think I'd like) or lost touch with over the years. This could get ugly (but thanks, Amazon gift card
).
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:14 am to AstroTiger
1a) Lion King
1b) Aladdin
1c) Beauty & The Beast
1d) Little Mermaid
1b) Aladdin
1c) Beauty & The Beast
1d) Little Mermaid
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:14 am to alajones
quote:
So you are saying the Beast is the antagonist and the protagonist in B&tB? Man vs himself?
I do know that Beauty and the Beast is one of the only Disney movies with domestic abuse in it.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:17 am to CocomoLSU
Does Disney advocate teenagers marrying adults?
In little Mermaid, Ariel is all of what 15/16 and the Prince is celebrating 20 (if I remember correctly) he would so be in jail for hooking up with a kid and an animal.
Sleeping Beauty as well they show prince at like 5/6 years old when princesses is born and then she is 13-15 and he comes to rescue her (and both look older than they are)
In little Mermaid, Ariel is all of what 15/16 and the Prince is celebrating 20 (if I remember correctly) he would so be in jail for hooking up with a kid and an animal.
Sleeping Beauty as well they show prince at like 5/6 years old when princesses is born and then she is 13-15 and he comes to rescue her (and both look older than they are)
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:18 am to CocomoLSU
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Also, the amount of money Disney made from their animated films over the years is mind-boggling. One thing I like to do for fun sometimes is use the inflation calculator to see just how much money this movie made in 1940, or just how rich this guy was in 1845. In today's dollars, Disney films used to rake in BILLIONS. It's insane.
Pixar saved Disney's arse imo. They now capture both markets. Animated and computer generated. They just won't be touched for quite a while.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:19 am to DelU249
Those are the best four easily
1. Aladdin
2. Lion King
3. Beauty and the Beast
4. Mermaid
all are pretty equal to me.
1. Aladdin
2. Lion King
3. Beauty and the Beast
4. Mermaid
all are pretty equal to me.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:21 am to Napoleon
1. Lion King
2. Aladdin
3. Little Mermaid
4. Beauty and the Beast
2. Aladdin
3. Little Mermaid
4. Beauty and the Beast
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:22 am to Broke
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Pixar saved Disney's arse imo
Nah, I disagree.. Pixar took them to new heights though.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:25 am to alajones
quote:
So you are saying the Beast is the antagonist and the protagonist in B&tB? Man vs himself?
There are multiple ways to look at it, but this is certainly one of them.
None of them involve Gaston, he's inconsequential and is merely a catalyst for all other events.
At the same time, the film, just like the Cracked joke of a gif, should be called "Stockholm Syndrome: The Movie," but that's another discussion.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:25 am to DelU249
Aladdin
The Lion King
never saw the other films you mentioned.
Honorable mention: Fox & the hound.
The Lion King
never saw the other films you mentioned.
Honorable mention: Fox & the hound.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:33 am to CocomoLSU
Disney made a lot of bad decisions in the 70s and 80s, but their biggest mistake was simply devaluing their feature films. They started to make assembly line films with pretty mediocre animation. Still better than TV, but nowhere near as great as their classics. I like a lot of those films, but Sword and the Stone, Robin Hood, etc. are slight films compared to the lush Sleeping Beauty.
Also, they really mistreated their animators, who left in droves and set up competing studios in the 80s. You look at the best children's animated films in the 80s, and they aren't Disney: Land Before Time, An American Tale, Secret of NIMH. Disney let that happen.
But y'all are right about our generation's attitude toward animation. I think three things happened when I was in high school so even though I wanted to "age out" of animation, I didn't:
1) The Little Mermaid. The film was huge and it made it ok for even self-conscious high school kids see the film. No one was gonna think you were uncool for watching a kiddie movie, because EVERYONE saw it. The Disney Renaissance is built on this rock. Beauty and the Best would get an Oscar nom, for godsakes.
2) The Simpsons. Adult oriented animation in prime time telling adult stories. It also showed that animation was a device that could free filmmakers to have hundreds of characters and literally any set or special effect possible.
3) Animaniacs. Right as I stopped watching afternoon cartoons, perhaps the best cartoon since Bugs Bunny came out. It sucked me back in as a high school and even college kid.
Because of that, I never moved past animation and put it in the children's ghetto.
Also, they really mistreated their animators, who left in droves and set up competing studios in the 80s. You look at the best children's animated films in the 80s, and they aren't Disney: Land Before Time, An American Tale, Secret of NIMH. Disney let that happen.
But y'all are right about our generation's attitude toward animation. I think three things happened when I was in high school so even though I wanted to "age out" of animation, I didn't:
1) The Little Mermaid. The film was huge and it made it ok for even self-conscious high school kids see the film. No one was gonna think you were uncool for watching a kiddie movie, because EVERYONE saw it. The Disney Renaissance is built on this rock. Beauty and the Best would get an Oscar nom, for godsakes.
2) The Simpsons. Adult oriented animation in prime time telling adult stories. It also showed that animation was a device that could free filmmakers to have hundreds of characters and literally any set or special effect possible.
3) Animaniacs. Right as I stopped watching afternoon cartoons, perhaps the best cartoon since Bugs Bunny came out. It sucked me back in as a high school and even college kid.
Because of that, I never moved past animation and put it in the children's ghetto.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:50 am to Broke
quote:
Pixar saved Disney's arse imo. They now capture both markets. Animated and computer generated. They just won't be touched for quite a while.
Nah, Pixar came around at the tail of the Disney Renaissance. Little Mermaid was in 89, while Toy Story was released in 95.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:51 am to JBeam
quote:
never saw the other films you mentioned.
I really don't know how that's possible.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:52 am to OMLandshark
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On a side note, I really think Snow White is one of the most overrated movies ever. Sure its an incredibly important and landmark film, and film would probably be worse off without it, but it really just doesn't hold up at all. Snow White makes Ariel look like an absolute genius.
It gets points for Disney mortgaging the farm to make it. Moreover, when you think of Snow White and the 7 dwarves, that is the image that comes to mind and it's 80 years old.
To rank all time for me
Beauty and the Beast
Sleeping Beauty - incredible animation
Aladdin
The Little Mermaid
Snow White
Pinocchio
Lion King
I realize most consider LK the best and it is great despite not being my cup of tea, but it doesn't come close to my top 4.
This post was edited on 2/20/13 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:54 am to DelU249
No Jungle Book?
I'm gonna have to talk to Bragheera about this.
I'm gonna have to talk to Bragheera about this.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:55 am to Baloo
quote:
Disney made a lot of bad decisions in the 70s and 80s, but their biggest mistake was simply devaluing their feature films. They started to make assembly line films with pretty mediocre animation. Still better than TV, but nowhere near as great as their classics. I like a lot of those films, but Sword and the Stone, Robin Hood, etc. are slight films compared to the lush Sleeping Beauty.
Also, they really mistreated their animators, who left in droves and set up competing studios in the 80s. You look at the best children's animated films in the 80s, and they aren't Disney: Land Before Time, An American Tale, Secret of NIMH. Disney let that happen.
Exactly. There have been two unique high points of Disney creativity in animation. Pre 1965 and Post 1989.
I thought Lassiter was bringing back the hand drawn stuff, but I assume it was too expensive?
quote:
But y'all are right about our generation's attitude toward animation. I think three things happened when I was in high school so even though I wanted to "age out" of animation, I didn't:
1) The Little Mermaid. The film was huge and it made it ok for even self-conscious high school kids see the film. No one was gonna think you were uncool for watching a kiddie movie, because EVERYONE saw it. The Disney Renaissance is built on this rock. Beauty and the Best would get an Oscar nom, for godsakes.
2) The Simpsons. Adult oriented animation in prime time telling adult stories. It also showed that animation was a device that could free filmmakers to have hundreds of characters and literally any set or special effect possible.
3) Animaniacs. Right as I stopped watching afternoon cartoons, perhaps the best cartoon since Bugs Bunny came out. It sucked me back in as a high school and even college kid.
Because of that, I never moved past animation and put it in the children's ghetto.
Exactly. I agree with this for the most part, although it was different properties for me.
I wouldn't say Little Mermaid alone, and I'd probably give the nod to BatB more so, but certainly LM was the beginning.
The Tiny Toons/Animaniacs two headed beast was hard to beat in the mid-90s.
Batman: TAS was also instrumental in my appreciation for Animated Content.
And yes the Simpsons, hitting it's high point int he 90's as well was huge for me. Especially since I had to covertly watch it (my dad loathed the show and wouldn't let me).
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