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re: Eric Gordon out tonight
Posted on 2/13/13 at 10:01 pm to Gtothemoney
Posted on 2/13/13 at 10:01 pm to Gtothemoney
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What key Free agents have the Hornets signed since Monty has been here? Not trades, free agents.
Wow, so it's Monty's fault that elite players don't want to sign with the Hornets?
Simply incredible.
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Posted on 2/13/13 at 10:09 pm to Gtothemoney
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Not trades, free agents.
We were cornered with little cap space when he started off with the team (CP3/West/Peja/Oak). Now that he finally had some some space this season, he added Lopez and Ryno, who if you haven't been paying attention, have been excellent and are on VERY team friendly contracts. The only reason those trades could take place is because we had cap space to take them on without sending salary back. Do you think any GM in the NBA would have considered Ayon for Ryno an even swap? He was an RFA and we threw in a little something extra to convince them not to match.
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Oh well, tied for 6 th worst makes it sooo much better.
Nice retort. You throw out bullshite about our record and when you get called on it, you just go with "LOL they suck anyway."
ETA: And when EG was on the bench for much of the beginning of the season, the Hornets had ~$31m invested in players that weren't contributing. Next season they'll have Gordon back + $18m to spend. When you have guys like CP3 and West leave your team, you're going to have some growing pains.
This post was edited on 2/13/13 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 2/13/13 at 10:16 pm to THRILLHO
So what key free agents left their team amd were signed by another team outright in free agency in the past couple of years? Having that list will help me.
James, Bosh? Trade, by the way... just like Ryan Anderson.
James, Bosh? Trade, by the way... just like Ryan Anderson.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 10:27 pm to THRILLHO
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When you have guys like CP3 and West leave your team, you're going to have some growing pains
Wouldn't the best PG in the league, and arguably the most favorite Hornet in history want to play with this young great coach?
And yes 3rd worst or 6th worst really doesn't matter. Our highest paid player on the team has a leaky twat and doesn't want to be here. You can kid yourself into thinking next year he will love us.
I'll tell you what. You know how I feel about Monty. I'll agree to conform and give him a pass this year. But come next year, I don't want to hear the same lame, bullshite excuses from y'all.
He better focus on developing AD. Dude can play. He's our future. He doesn't belong on the bench in winnable 4th qtrs. start running sets thru him. He's got skills of pretty much all positions on the court.
Truce til next year. But frick Gordon and the horse he rode in on.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 10:48 pm to Gtothemoney
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Wouldn't the best PG in the league, and arguably the most favorite Hornet in history want to play with this young great coach?
Playing for a team that has an owner is going to be pretty important for most players.
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But come next year, I don't want to hear the same lame, bullshite excuses from y'all.
Barring a ton of injuries (and not just to Gordon) or Benson telling Demps to sit on the ~$18m in cap space, no one is going to be defending Monty on here if we're under ~25 wins at the break. No team outside of LA/NY (markets that players will flock to regardless of the state of the franchise) no team could come back from losing CP3+West caliber players in the same offseason. Last season was going to be dogshit regardless. We would at the very least be in the playoff hunt still if EG and AD hadn't missed 48 games combined. That's with $17m going to Lewis/Carroll.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:27 pm to THRILLHO
You and 42 are the best posters on this board.
Now GFY...
Now GFY...
Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:52 pm to 504hornets
The NBA should make it a rule if you don't sit on the bench, you don't get paid. I hated when Mashburn wasn't on the sidelines for the playoffs against the Heat when he has a house in Miami.
Posted on 2/14/13 at 12:13 am to danman6336
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He's a pussy, and he has a shitty attitude, and honestly I haven't really seen anything from him in the rare occasion his glass body actually touches the court that he's anything particularly special.
this is the issue for me...he hasn't looked like anything more than a good player for a long time
Posted on 2/14/13 at 12:17 am to tehchampion140
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lol @ you hating one of our best players and our great young coach. What a shitty fan.
i'm a huge hornets fan, but c'mon....that's pretty disrespectful to Monty to put both of those guys on the same plane.
...baron davis was our best player, too??????
Posted on 2/14/13 at 12:35 am to drake20
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...baron davis was our best player, too??????
Baron, when he gave a damn, was one of the best scoring guards in the league at the time.
Posted on 2/14/13 at 12:56 am to Broski
Let's take some things into consideration when Gordon bashing.
1. For starters we had to fill up some of our cap space somehow. Without his contract on the books we might have trouble meeting the league minimum spending requirement next year.
2. We're still much better with him than without him. If we would have had him all year we'd be fighting for the 7-8 spots in the west.
3. Don't let tonight fool you. We played a Portland team that's the thinnest in the league and was playing its 4th in 5 days right before the all-star break. Davis also had his best game of the season tonight.
4. Let's not forget we bailed on Tyson Chandler after a couple of injury plagued seasons and look at the force he turned himself into once he got healthy. We should give Gordon the same courtesy we're giving Monty and the team as a whole. Namely, that this year was really always viewed as a building block and next year with out 18 million in cap space and another lottery pick we really start making our push to at least a perennial playoff team
1. For starters we had to fill up some of our cap space somehow. Without his contract on the books we might have trouble meeting the league minimum spending requirement next year.
2. We're still much better with him than without him. If we would have had him all year we'd be fighting for the 7-8 spots in the west.
3. Don't let tonight fool you. We played a Portland team that's the thinnest in the league and was playing its 4th in 5 days right before the all-star break. Davis also had his best game of the season tonight.
4. Let's not forget we bailed on Tyson Chandler after a couple of injury plagued seasons and look at the force he turned himself into once he got healthy. We should give Gordon the same courtesy we're giving Monty and the team as a whole. Namely, that this year was really always viewed as a building block and next year with out 18 million in cap space and another lottery pick we really start making our push to at least a perennial playoff team
Posted on 2/14/13 at 1:13 am to tigerfan88
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Let's not forget we bailed on Tyson Chandler after a couple of injury plagued seasons and look at the force he turned himself into once he got healthy.
Originally traded him to OKC for over 30 big men.
Posted on 2/14/13 at 1:16 am to tigerfan88
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1. For starters we had to fill up some of our cap space somehow. Without his contract on the books we might have trouble meeting the league minimum spending requirement next year.
No we wouldn't
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2. We're still much better with him than without him. If we would have had him all year we'd be fighting for the 7-8 spots in the west.
Obviously. I don't think anyone thinks different. That's not the issue.
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3. Don't let tonight fool you. We played a Portland team that's the thinnest in the league and was playing its 4th in 5 days right before the all-star break. Davis also had his best game of the season tonight.
No one thinks this team is better without Gordon.
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4. Let's not forget we bailed on Tyson Chandler after a couple of injury plagued seasons and look at the force he turned himself into once he got healthy. We should give Gordon the same courtesy we're giving Monty and the team as a whole. Namely, that this year was really always viewed as a building block and next year with out 18 million in cap space and another lottery pick we really start making our push to at least a perennial playoff team
We traded Chandler for money reasons. He makes $13m a year on his new contract.
The proof is in the pudding. His possible games played vs actual games played is becoming a frightening trend. I was optimistic with the whole Gordon thing, but it's getting ridiculous. His knee isn't fully healed to where he can even play consistently. He had the back issue. Now he has a hand issue. He cannot even sit on the bench during a home game and shows zero passion even when he plays.
Guys like GV, Lopez, AFA, Anderson etc are busting their arse night in and night out and he can't even sit on the bench? We are trying to develop 2 lottery picks with this guy as our supposed best player and leader?
Get rid of him now before we are stuck standing with our dick in our hands. We were all optimistic about guys like Baron Davis and CP3 at one point. Sometimes you just have to say frick it and move on.
Posted on 2/14/13 at 1:22 am to GynoSandberg
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We are trying to develop 2 lottery picks with this guy as our supposed best player and leader?
This is my main issue now. I've let all the Phoenix shite go and my problem now is I just don't see him as a guy who'll be the leader on a winning team.
Posted on 2/14/13 at 1:32 am to saintsfan22
It's getting silly
It's almost night and day watching him on the floor compared to other guys. Watching a guy like Paul George play tonight compared to a guy like Gordon is ridiculous, and I'm not even talking about skills. High fiving and encouraging teammates, fist pumping after big plays, hustling everywhere on the floor etc.
And if someone says, "well that's just not who Gordon is" then I say that's even more the reason to get rid of him. We shouldn't have even signed him if that was the case.
It's almost night and day watching him on the floor compared to other guys. Watching a guy like Paul George play tonight compared to a guy like Gordon is ridiculous, and I'm not even talking about skills. High fiving and encouraging teammates, fist pumping after big plays, hustling everywhere on the floor etc.
And if someone says, "well that's just not who Gordon is" then I say that's even more the reason to get rid of him. We shouldn't have even signed him if that was the case.
Posted on 2/14/13 at 1:36 am to GynoSandberg
Who would you like for our team Gyno?
Posted on 2/14/13 at 1:37 am to GynoSandberg
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Get rid of him now before we are stuck standing with our dick in our hands.
We won't be "stuck standing with our dick in our hands" for at least 2 more years.
His trade value was rock bottom 2 months ago and it isn't really that much better now.
Trading him now would be a fricking disaster. If we actively shop him there will be 29 GMs that have Demps by the balls in any trade talks.
Posted on 2/14/13 at 2:00 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Who would you like for our team Gyno?
Im no GM so I don't know which guys are on the block, but I bet Dell has talked to some other GMs and he knows what's available.
I posted the names of 10 impact guys who are likely to be traded (ESPN Insider): Josh Smith, Jennings, Bargnani, Al Jeff/Milsap, Gortat, Reddick, Turner, Granger, Boozer, Garnett.
If these guys are being actively shopped and the other teams have interest in EG, I'd take any of them as a centerpiece in a deal except Milsap, Reddick, Boozer, or Garnett.
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We won't be "stuck standing with our dick in our hands" for at least 2 more years.
His trade value was rock bottom 2 months ago and it isn't really that much better now.
Trading him now would be a fricking disaster. If we actively shop him there will be 29 GMs that have Demps by the balls in any trade talks.
Well, we can wait two years and possibly have a guy who is never healthy who will be absolutely worthless. Some guys are just never healthy. See: Baron Davis, Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, Andrew Bogut, Tracy McGrady, Corey Maggette, Ginobili.
Trade him now while he may still have some perceived future value from some team.
I can see it now. People go back and forth on this board for the next 4 years. Eric Gordon plays a few games, averaging 20ppg, and people say, "You see our record with this guy!!". Then he has some nagging injury and people will say, "He's always hurt!". Then the other side will say, "Give him a chance, you've seen what he can do!". Then we wake up and it's 2017 and we haven't accomplished shite.
Posted on 2/14/13 at 2:22 am to Broski
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Baron, when he gave a damn, was one of the best scoring guards in the league at the time.
ya.. he and gordon were the best players on our team... doesn't mean they are right for the team, deserve max contracts, or should be the best player on a contending team.
...Gordon's attitude sucks from all accounts. His play has been inconsistent and just disappointing at times. I haven't seen many flashes of true star player like I was hoping he could be.
for now, in my eyes (fwiw), he's an overpaid, solid scorer, with a shitty attitude and a lot of injuries.
we can find a guard that can score. i don't think gordon is on the star track
Posted on 2/14/13 at 2:25 am to Fenwick86
quote:His nickname ought to be Fabrege, because he's as fragile as an egg.
Good God he is soft.
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