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re: Community
Posted on 2/8/13 at 9:16 am to Vood
Posted on 2/8/13 at 9:16 am to Vood
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It felt like the guys went back, watched old episodes picked up on a few things that were funny and shoved it in to this episode
I agree, it felt like it tried to take old highlights of community and throw them in to 1 episode.
Jeff doing intense physical competition.
Abed's alternate reality
Animation
Naked Chang at the end
Also almost every dean joke you could see coming from a mile away, you knew he was going to include "dean" in every other word, you knew Jeff was going to tango with him, you knew he made the fake ice cream passes.
It just seemed last night they tried to include too many things that made great community episodes in the past and it fell short.
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Posted on 2/8/13 at 9:27 am to Baloo
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And there is a little too much hand holding of Jeff telling the audience his motivations, things he never would've done.
True. That definitely got annoying at times.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 9:33 am to Vood
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It felt like the guys went back, watched old episodes picked up on a few things that were funny and shoved it in to this episode.
Case in point. Dean Felton, its like they went back to the old episodes and saw that funny costumes, flirting with Jeff and making him add "Dean" to words worked well in small doses so they took that concept and multiplied it by 1000.
This is a perfect example of them trying to be "Community"
I completely agree with you btw.
I've said for the last season+ that sometimes the characters become caricatures of themselves and lttle things here and there that were always funny have taken over the characters.
Abed used to love movies and TV. Now he can't function without viewing things in those terms.
Troy used to be a jock who said funny, dumb things sometimes. Now he's borderline retarded.
Britta used to be pro-women. Now she's bulldyke-ish hardcore feminist.
Etc.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 9:44 am to CocomoLSU
Troy hasn't been a jock since episode 4 or 5. They jettisoned that part of his character awfully fast, to take advantage of Daniel Glover's nerdiness. And Britta's development has been great -- from a strong lead "heroine" counterpoint to Jeff, she's become a person who is pretty much always stridently wrong. You Britta'd that review.
But I thought the best moment of the episode was Britta and Troy at the fountain. It wasn't forced, it was funny, and it was rooted in the characters. They also didn't oversell at. Even the callback worked.
"Britta introduced a new rule: no rules."
"Cool. we'll talk about it." (Which is to say, there's not a chance in hell Abed is going to go along with no rules).
I think my major problem is that Abed has always been an extremely astute observer of the human condition. He's an outsider, but he's like a separate species who studies us. His pop culture references were always a way to create rules which he needs to function, as the world does not obey these rules which are far more logical. Here, Abed retreats to his "happy place", but his happy place was never BAD TV. He wants a world in which characters can make witty repartee like on Cougar Town, laced with pop culture references, but he doesn't want the traditional three-camera sitcom (though I did like how he went further into the wormhole and went to a Muppet Babies cartoon). The new writers don't quite get Abed right. And if you get Abed wrong, the show is wrong. He's the lynchpin they all rely on (or Troy -- the Darkest Timeline is when Troy gets the pizza and leaves the group).
But I thought the best moment of the episode was Britta and Troy at the fountain. It wasn't forced, it was funny, and it was rooted in the characters. They also didn't oversell at. Even the callback worked.
"Britta introduced a new rule: no rules."
"Cool. we'll talk about it." (Which is to say, there's not a chance in hell Abed is going to go along with no rules).
I think my major problem is that Abed has always been an extremely astute observer of the human condition. He's an outsider, but he's like a separate species who studies us. His pop culture references were always a way to create rules which he needs to function, as the world does not obey these rules which are far more logical. Here, Abed retreats to his "happy place", but his happy place was never BAD TV. He wants a world in which characters can make witty repartee like on Cougar Town, laced with pop culture references, but he doesn't want the traditional three-camera sitcom (though I did like how he went further into the wormhole and went to a Muppet Babies cartoon). The new writers don't quite get Abed right. And if you get Abed wrong, the show is wrong. He's the lynchpin they all rely on (or Troy -- the Darkest Timeline is when Troy gets the pizza and leaves the group).
Posted on 2/8/13 at 9:46 am to CocomoLSU
I watched this last night. It wasn't even funny. This show was hilarious. Last night just seemed mildly retarded...like, whoever directed the show watched it for 3 seasons, took it over and said...well, lets imitate the last guy. This is what you get.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 9:48 am to Baloo
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But I thought the best moment of the episode was Britta and Troy at the fountain. It wasn't forced, it was funny, and it was rooted in the characters. They also didn't oversell at. Even the callback worked.
You have a strange sense of humor. That whole scene felt forced and contrived.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 9:55 am to Cajun Revolution
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whoever directed the show watched it for 3 seasons, took it over and said...well, lets imitate the last guy.
Tristram Shapeero has been directing episodes since season 1, including the Goodfellas episode. Andy Bobrow wrote the episode, he also wrote the Ken Burns episode.
It's showrunner issues, not writer/director issues.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:03 am to ProjectP2294
It wasn't a great episode, but I enjoyed it.
I think some were just looking for things to be different/worse because Harmon is gone. The thing is with most of the people who have always been involved still being involved I don't think it will be all that different.
I think some were just looking for things to be different/worse because Harmon is gone. The thing is with most of the people who have always been involved still being involved I don't think it will be all that different.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:22 am to Baloo
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Troy hasn't been a jock since episode 4 or 5. They jettisoned that part of his character awfully fast, to take advantage of Daniel Glover's nerdiness. And Britta's development has been great -- from a strong lead "heroine" counterpoint to Jeff, she's become a person who is pretty much always stridently wrong. You Britta'd that review.
I'm not saying they're all bad. I'm just saying that it's like they took one aspect of the character and just made them that one thing.
My point on Troy was that he used to say silly things here and there, but now they have him basically believing childlike things and borderline retarded at times.
Just like Pierce who was always kind of the crotchety old man with racial/sexist undertones, and he blew up into a full on racist a-hole. Now, that could be partly Chevy's fault IRL, but his character is now solely what used to be only a part of Pierce.
I do agree with Abed/Troy being the lynchpin to the show though. That relationship seems to make/break a lot of the group's actions and reactions. That kind of exploded last year with episodes like the Pillow Fight and whatnot.
As for the writers/new show-head, I'll give them more than one episode before I say that things are too different or that they don't get Abed. I am hopeful that they'll do well.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:30 am to CocomoLSU
Yeah. First episodes were never Harmon's strong suit either. I think there were good and bad signs about the future of the show. But even Zombie Community is better than most things on TV. The one thing the show does have going for it is that it still has one of the strongest ensemble casts on TV.
Though I would like to see them use their supporting characters a bit more. Fat Neal made an appearance, but had no dialog. Leonard had a line that fell flat. Less Chang, more Leonard.
Though I would like to see them use their supporting characters a bit more. Fat Neal made an appearance, but had no dialog. Leonard had a line that fell flat. Less Chang, more Leonard.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:33 am to Baloo
I feel left out of the discussion since the first part of my episode essay was the last post of the last page. 
Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:39 am to CocomoLSU
I felt this premier fell a little flat as well. But I'm chalking it up to my homerism towards Dan Harmon coring my experience. I hope they don't leave Abed in this coma-like personality the entire season, he's best when he's commenting on the others actions/motivations.
I'm glad most of us have taken the position of "wait it out, see what happens, we'll always love this thing we're invested so much of ourselves in." Reminds me of the west wing arguments, ie seasons 1-4 and 5-7. Still great, but different.
I'm glad most of us have taken the position of "wait it out, see what happens, we'll always love this thing we're invested so much of ourselves in." Reminds me of the west wing arguments, ie seasons 1-4 and 5-7. Still great, but different.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 4:55 pm to Fletch F Fletch
I totally forgot Harmon had left and I actually even forgot the show was coming on again til I saw it on my DVR. So I watched it as an unexpected treat with zero expectations and I was entertained. It was pretty witty and quirky and although not hilarious it did make me laugh quite a bit. I enjoyed seeing the characters again and its a treat watching this show while it lasts bc there's not another show that does anything like Community.
Posted on 2/9/13 at 2:37 pm to The Eric
i thought it was ok. not the best episode but not the worst. i was worried but the season premier calmed me down about the season going forward
Posted on 2/9/13 at 4:54 pm to WestCoastAg
Middle of the road episode. I'm cautiously optimistic, but wouldn't be shocked if it went south by Community standards.
Posted on 2/9/13 at 5:02 pm to Matisyeezy
It was ok. It was kind of all over the place. I agree with others that it seemed like they were trying to force in too many "Community-isms" to either appease the fans or try to introduce new viewers to the show. Somewhat understandable I guess, but I didn't like it.
There was just way too much going on between the 4 subplots. Probably would have been better if they focused on the main Hunger Games and Abed storylines and threw out the Annie/Shirley and Troy/Britta stuff.
There was just way too much going on between the 4 subplots. Probably would have been better if they focused on the main Hunger Games and Abed storylines and threw out the Annie/Shirley and Troy/Britta stuff.
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