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re: It's gameday, bitches! USoff'nA vs. Hondur-mexicans, 3 PM CT, BeIN Sports
Posted on 2/6/13 at 10:23 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Posted on 2/6/13 at 10:23 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
So should we just not play our most in form striker because his shitty midfield can't get him the ball in goalscoring areas? Why get in the box when we can't even get the ball to the flanks or attempt through balls.
That's horrible logic.
That's horrible logic.
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Posted on 2/6/13 at 10:25 pm to thenry712
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That's horrible logic.
You are a huge homer.
He does little with what he has to work with. This isn't a recent development. He has never consistently impressed in a USMNT shirt because he isn't suited for the system the US plays.
Plus, did you see his fitness level today? What the frick was that?
Posted on 2/6/13 at 10:29 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
I agree that he should have been subbed off in the second half, but Klinsmann used all of his subs on more center mids way too early.
Would you blame Suarez for not scoring, if he doesn't get the ball in good positions?
Strikers are meant to score goals first and foremost. To score goals you need the ball in positions where you can score goals. We didn't have that today except for the one Dempsey goal, and the half chance Jozy had from the GAM cross.
Would you blame Suarez for not scoring, if he doesn't get the ball in good positions?
Strikers are meant to score goals first and foremost. To score goals you need the ball in positions where you can score goals. We didn't have that today except for the one Dempsey goal, and the half chance Jozy had from the GAM cross.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 10:38 pm to thenry712
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Would you blame Suarez for not scoring, if he doesn't get the ball in good positions?
lol.
I would never blame Suarez because one thing is never in doubt: his passion for victory. He will run himself into the ground, from start to finish, regardless of the score and regardless of how many times he touches the ball. He isn't a bitch who waits for the game to come to him - he makes sure he is always involved whether it is with the ball at his feet, or while he is incessantly pressing the defense/midfield. Technical/creative skills aside, this team would be much better with a Suarez or Kuyt in the squad.
PS Suarez scored 15 goals in a top 3 league in the world as an isolated CF surrounded by teenagers. Whether the service is good or not in any given match, Suarez makes his presence known.
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To score goals you need the ball in positions where you can score goals.
You realize that's the point I'm making?
This post was edited on 2/6/13 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 2/6/13 at 10:44 pm to thenry712
Herc does 4 things better than Jozy and all 4 are essential in matches like today. He runs for days, he helps out defensively, he wins fouls, and he can take a free kick.
Speaking of set pieces, WTF today?
Speaking of set pieces, WTF today?
This post was edited on 2/6/13 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 2/6/13 at 10:45 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Suarez was a bad example, but he has far better service with Liverpool than Altidore with the USMNT. Look at how Andy Carroll was castrated last year. He got into good positions, just sucked at finishing. That's reasonable grounds for criticism for a striker.
What I'm confused about is how you would replace a forward who is not getting the ball in dangerous positions?
This happened to Rooney and Messi in the World Cup. He kept dropping deeper and deeper to receive the ball. Both couldn't score because their team's formations went to shite. They lost the point of their attacks.
Ball don't lie.
What I'm confused about is how you would replace a forward who is not getting the ball in dangerous positions?
This happened to Rooney and Messi in the World Cup. He kept dropping deeper and deeper to receive the ball. Both couldn't score because their team's formations went to shite. They lost the point of their attacks.
Ball don't lie.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 10:50 pm to TN Bhoy
I like Herc as a forward when we either have another classic winger on the opposite flank or when he's playing alongside another striker because of his speed and work ethic.
He's technically limited, but works hard.
Altidore's best time as a national team player came when he had another forward to partner with like Charlie Davies and even slow as lard Brian fricking Ching. It's obvious that he can't score as a lone forward, because again, he need the ball in good positions. Unless things change, he's not going to score with our no width, 5 center mids, lone forward formations.
He's technically limited, but works hard.
Altidore's best time as a national team player came when he had another forward to partner with like Charlie Davies and even slow as lard Brian fricking Ching. It's obvious that he can't score as a lone forward, because again, he need the ball in good positions. Unless things change, he's not going to score with our no width, 5 center mids, lone forward formations.
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Posted on 2/6/13 at 10:51 pm to thenry712
After watching pieces of this game. Our players were incredibly lazy. On the bike goal. Bradley and others just stood in the box. There is no excuse for laziness. Come the frick on.
Maybe Wynalda should light a fire under his arse, again.
Maybe Wynalda should light a fire under his arse, again.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 10:56 pm to thenry712
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Altidore's best time as a national team player came when he had another forward to partner with like Charlie Davies and even slow as lard Brian fricking Ching.
I don't know if Duece is the best pairing for him, either. Altidore hasn't grown into the target man type forward. For whatever reason. He doesn't hold the ball up well. I really wish he'd learn how to use his body. I.E. Confed Cup v Spain goal.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 10:56 pm to thenry712
The point isn't that I'm blaming Jozy (which I am to a degree - he is lazy, uninterested and lacks match fitness, but that isn't the point), the point is that Jozy does NOT fit our current system. If we ever get to the point where we can work the ball into the final third with reasonable consistency, he will be the man to lead the line.
You wouldn't start Messi for Stoke (okay, he would start if they had him - but you get the point) and you wouldn't start Carroll for Barcelona.
Right now we need an ultra-physical player who will make their presence known, win headers, work for the team, attract defenders and allow other players to make runs off of. Jozy just really doesn't have any of those qualities, especially when he is asked to drop deep (like he was today).
You wouldn't start Messi for Stoke (okay, he would start if they had him - but you get the point) and you wouldn't start Carroll for Barcelona.
Right now we need an ultra-physical player who will make their presence known, win headers, work for the team, attract defenders and allow other players to make runs off of. Jozy just really doesn't have any of those qualities, especially when he is asked to drop deep (like he was today).
Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:03 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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The point isn't that I'm blaming Jozy (which I am to a degree - he is lazy, uninterested and lacks match fitness, but that isn't the point), the point is that Jozy does NOT fit our current system. If we ever get to the point where we can work the ball into the final third with reasonable consistency, he will be the man to lead the line.
You wouldn't start Messi for Stoke (okay, he would start if they had him - but you get the point) and you wouldn't start Carroll for Barcelona.
Right now we need an ultra-physical player who will make their presence known, win headers, work for the team, attract defenders and allow other players to make runs off of. Jozy just really doesn't have any of those qualities, especially when he is asked to drop deep (like he was today).
I agree with all this, I think.
The truth of the matter is that there is blame to go around the entire squad today. There literally wasn't a single player who's performance I was pleased with. I think we have some major issues in the midfield, and an even bigger concern with Klinsmann's tactics. I kinda feel like the striker position is the least of my worries at this point.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:06 pm to UASports23
He's a decent holdup forward in Holland, but today and in other national team games he looks pretty poor.
I think he was just ill prepared for the heat and humidity today, as was most of our team. Not to mention he's been a 90' a game player for AZ this season for the first time in his career. It looked particularly bad for him when he wasn't substituted.
Like I said, he needs a partner forward or some decent flank play.
This team looks demotivated. At least in the Bob Ball days there was always a fight back from his teams. Never mind the fact that we were always behind a goal less than 10 minutes into the game.
I think he was just ill prepared for the heat and humidity today, as was most of our team. Not to mention he's been a 90' a game player for AZ this season for the first time in his career. It looked particularly bad for him when he wasn't substituted.
Like I said, he needs a partner forward or some decent flank play.
This team looks demotivated. At least in the Bob Ball days there was always a fight back from his teams. Never mind the fact that we were always behind a goal less than 10 minutes into the game.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:08 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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he is lazy, uninterested and lacks match fitness
Could describe the entire team at times. As far as match fitness, I don't think you can blame Klinsmann for that. (Not saying you are) I just don't think anyone is used to 95 degree heat when the majority play in the European winters.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:10 pm to UASports23
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Could describe the entire team at times.
Agreed although I do think GAM did a decent job with his workrate and felt he should have stayed on the pitch instead of Jozy (we all probably agree on that).
Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:10 pm to thenry712
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He's a decent holdup forward in Holland, but today and in other national team games he looks pretty poor.
I still think he'll grow into it. It usually takes longer for target men to mature and Jozy is still pretty young.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:13 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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PS Suarez scored 15 goals in a top 3 league in the world as an isolated CF surrounded by teenagers. Whether the service is good or not in any given match, Suarez makes his presence known.
International play and Club play = Apples and Oranges. Those teenagers played a shite ton more together than our international midfield. Especially, when our midfield is every changing. Bad example.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:14 pm to Meursault
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and an even bigger concern with Klinsmann's tactics.
The scary thing is we haven't been given a single reason to think this will change. I truly don't understand how someone at his age, with the experience he has had in the game, doesn't understand simple tactics like:
A. Playing your wide players, wide.
B. Playing your central players (forwards and midfielders), centrally.
C. Not experimenting with a brand new CB pairing on the road in the HEX.
D. Not playing wide against a team with inferior athletes and players.
E. Playing creative midfielders.
Like Thenry said (I think it was him), Jurgy doesn't have Low to back him up and it is really exposing his tactical intellectual level.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:17 pm to UASports23
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International play and Club play = Apples and Oranges. Those teenagers played a shite ton more together than our international midfield. Especially, when our midfield is every changing. Bad example.
You also have to consider that club play is much, much more difficult than international play. Also, I was only responding to the fact that Suarez scores whether he has good service or not. Strictly speaking, it was a fine point to make (it wasn't my example).
Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:20 pm to UASports23
Agreed, Jozy will be our guy, he just isn't ready yet. Does anyone else think our MF problems mainly stem from the personnel Klinsy plays together? It's just hard to picture ugly football if our MF consisted of say, Bradley, Feilhaber, Zusi, Dempsey and in the future Donovan and/or Stubear. That being said, ugly football comes from having Williams, Jones, EJ(he's a forward not midfielder), and Beckerman playing together, only one DM neccessary, and the rest of the MF should be creative technicians(first guys I listed above).
Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:24 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Understood. Blah. It fricking sucks, but I think it's safe to say that our most creative midfielders are two DM's in Jermaine Jones and Michael Bradley.
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