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BBONDS25
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Whose principles trump rights? Yours?





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'Principles trump Rights any day' Then your principles are fricking backwards


Actually I think his are retarded.






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EthanL
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Whose principles trump rights? Yours?


Mine do. My principles force me to act a certain way, live my life a certain way, even though a piece of paper says I can do otherwise.

I'm sure yours do too, you just don't realize it






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Would you watch a movie where veterans/soldiers get slaughtered/beheaded/tortured by jihadists?

if it was supposed to be a good movie? sure. if i got the inkling to watch some gore porn? sure

it's just a movie






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BBONDS25
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Should this theory extend to government? If so, whose principles will apply at that level.





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Ace Midnight
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Mine do. My principles force me to act a certain way, live my life a certain way, even though a piece of paper says I can do otherwise.


Damn, man - I wish you would have started off that way - for future reference, BLUF (Bottom Line Up Front) would have gone a long way for me in this thread.

THAT'S good - and would not have triggered my knee-jerk, reactionary response, which I now, to a large part, retract the more inflammatory parts.

Although, in being fair to myself, I think I got close to an answer you were looking for - my position is one that all should have, the power (or "right" as you have phrased it) to do something does not mean that, under all circumstances, you ought to do something. Principles are just an extension of that - the way we choose to act under a certain set of circumstances, despite legal or other nuances that would allow something other.

Principles, in other words, keep certain people, for religious, spiritual, or ethical reasons from aborting a pregnancy, although it is legal for them to do so.

Likewise, many in the United States choose not to arm themselves, because they take a principled pacifistic stand. I think that is how it should be - act according to your own principles. To act otherwise is hypocritical.

As long as those "principles" aren't forced on others, because that's tyranny.






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EthanL
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So here is my point, and I'll be done with it:

Here in America, we have stubbornly remained passionate about our Constitutional rights. Whether its the right to carry as many destructive weapons as we want, the right to direct and produce as many and as much obscene and disgusting thoughts that enter their minds, the right to use as much profanity, view porn, picket funerals, abort babies,..the list goes on and on.

And I know, I get it Liberals are more passionate about some rights than others. Ditto for Conservatives.

But don't you see it guys? Our core Principles would solve all this.

Our rights have enabled every extreme, and then some. Some of us, myself included, have even compromised some principles, just because this country says rights are more important.

Why can't we as passionate about principles, than a piece if paper?






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No need to dissect this...

truth. the one true thing you've said, in fact.






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This is the world post 9/11. art reflects life.





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BBONDS25
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Whose core principles should be applied at the government level?





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Our rights have enabled every extreme, and then some. Some of us, myself included, have even compromised some principles, just because this country says rights are more important.

Why can't we as passionate about principles, than a piece if paper?

you mean why can't we all subject ourselves to your principles...spoken like a true progressive






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BBONDS25
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Thank you. That is the point I am trying to make. If priciples are to be implemented with the force of law, he better hope someone with his same principles always has final say. Its extremely short sighted.





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SlowFlowPro
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he better be careful that some of his progressive friends who love to celebrate art don't see his little rant

they will glitter bomb the frick out of him for being so ignorant towards art (and indirectly threatening it)






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Ace Midnight
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Here in America, we have stubbornly remained passionate about our Constitutional rights.


That, my friend, is a virtue, not a vice as you suggest.

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Whether its the right to carry as many destructive weapons as we want, the right to direct and produce as many and as much obscene and disgusting thoughts that enter their minds, the right to use as much profanity, view porn, picket funerals, abort babies,..the list goes on and on.


This sentiment was most elegantly expressed by Woody Harrelson's (as Larry Flynt) character in The People versus Larry Flynt. "If the First Amendment will protect a scumbag like me, it will protect all of you."

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And I know, I get it Liberals are more passionate about some rights than others. Ditto for Conservatives.


We all should be passionate about all of our right - eternal vigilence is the price of liberty.

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But don't you see it guys? Our core Principles would solve all this.


Principles vary wildly from person to person. Effectively it is an external morality and you cannot legislate this.

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Our rights have enabled every extreme, and then some. Some of us, myself included, have even compromised some principles, just because this country says rights are more important.


I cannot judge a person's heart when they are engaging in lawful activity - I have no other way to sanction them, but this manner. If a person is doing ill for the right reasons - I'll listen to the reasons and decide. If a person is doing right for ill reasons, ultimately, it is none of my business - THAT'S our system.

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Why can't we as passionate about principles, than a piece if paper?


Because we don't share common principles, nearly as much as we should. The Constitution (and I have admitted this to you before) is not perfect, but it will do until perfect comes along.



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EthanL
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Principles, in other words, keep certain people, for religious, spiritual, or ethical reasons from aborting a pregnancy, although it is legal for them to do so


That was my point. Principles get it right. The Constitution got it wrong on Abortion. The interpretation of free speech is harming us. The 2nd is a fiery topic, and I am telling you, we are not clear on this one. Say what you want about cars, alcohol, bats etc; guns are for killing. That's it's sole purpose. Yes these other things kill too, when abused, or malfunction. But guns, whether they are used, abused, 'go off accidentally', they kill.

All I am saying to everyone is stop being so passionate about a right, don't let that guide you or direct your response.

What about what you know is right? What is hard to say and do, but should be done.

And just on a side note, in all this debate, whether its obscene movies or violence, why doesn't anyone admit the satisfaction they get from these excesses?

This may be an exception to most gun owners, I'm sure it is, but I had a co worker say to me the other day ' ill admit it, I am excited for weeks after I buy a new gun, it gives me a natural high'.

Do any of you feel this way? Does this explain why some people purchase multiple guns?



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Ace Midnight
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Say what you want about cars, alcohol, bats etc; guns are for killing. That's it's sole purpose. Yes this other things kill too, when abused, or malfunction. But guns, whether they are used, abused, 'go off accidentally', they kill.


The right to bear arms is secondary to the right of self-defense. There are no effective alternatives to arms to provide for one's own and family's defense.






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BBONDS25
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Glitter bombing is the ultimate equalizer.





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The remake of Total Recall can't be any more violent than the original.





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EthanL
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Glitter bombing is the ultimate equalizer.


lol ok get out with it.

I am opposed to homosexuality and abortion. Everyone knows this.

I don't fit Colonel Toddys narrative or yours. Accept it






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SlowFlowPro
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I am opposed to homosexuality and abortion.

you have shitty principles, then. why should i respect them or let them guide me in my life?

#Tellme






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