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adono
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Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


I'm asking this because it seems that we're going to have some cap problems for a number of years. Caught a program last night (don't know if it was a re-telecast) and former Executive VP for the New Orleans Saints Jim Miller was on it. The main topic was how do the Saints fix the defense when there's so many needs and so few dollars. Miller's position was that the Saints have to get get lucky on FAs and the draft because the team has cap problems extending for years.

I haven't kept up with all the cap stuff but I didn't realize just how bad it was.

What can really be done other than just make the cuts and take the hit?








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504hornets
Tulane Fan
Member since Dec 2011
762 posts

re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


In Loomis i trust! Last yr we were in a similar situation, and we still resigned Brees and Colston plus we signed some free agents





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notiger1997
Member since May 2009
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re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


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In Loomis i trust


This.

If you want to see real cap problems, look at what Carolina is up against.






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Chad504boy
New Orleans Saints Fan
Five Oh Four
Member since Feb 2005
76559 posts

re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


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What can really be done other than just make the cuts and take the hit?


Restructure some crucial contracts. Teams do it every year. Mickey is one of the best.






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Patrick O Rly
New Orleans Saints Fan
y u do dis?
Member since Aug 2011
34774 posts

re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


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In Loomis i trust! Last yr we were in a similar situation, and we still resigned Brees and Colston plus we signed some free agents



I wouldn't say a similar situation. We were right against the cap, not way over.

His track record for track management is good, but this is a tricky one. We'll have to wait and see.






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liquid rabbit
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re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


Prices cut to the bone! Everyone must go! No inventory held back! Deep discounts and layaway available!





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Jcorye1
LSU Fan
Tom Terrific (greater than) Brees
Member since Dec 2007
26069 posts

re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


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What can really be done other than just make the cuts and take the hit?



Get rid of veterans with high pay, average production. Draft well, and fill your bench with younger talent that has upside.

Loomis is incredibly gifted, you guys will be fine.






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WiskyMike
Member since Nov 2012
156 posts

re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


Drew Brees needs to restructure his contract. there is no reason to be making over $20 million a year. Peyton Manning got it to the detriment of the 10 and 11 colts. Tom Brady doesn't do it and look where the patriots have been for the past eight years. If Brady settles for $16-$18 million a year there's no reason for Brees to make 22 - $23 million. It's not feasible in the cap era.


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Fun Bunch
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Member since May 2008
21777 posts

re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


They will have to start shedding vets that make too much for little production. They will have to start letting guys go and just replacing them with next guy up. And they will have to get get LOTS of guys to restructure.





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Midget Death Squad
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Member since Oct 2008
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re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


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If you want to see real cap problems, look at what Carolina is up against


our cap issue is bad too. in the end it'll all get worked out just as Carolina's will, but the cost of doing so may be a big one. fortunately some of our big price guys that will be cut are underacheivers anyway, so we may wind up doing ok







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whodatfan
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Mar 2008
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re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


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Prices cut to the bone! Everyone must go! No inventory held back! Deep discounts and layaway available!


This.






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BarbeTiger
New Orleans Saints Fan
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Member since Jan 2012
4959 posts

re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


Will Smith


Jonathan Vilma






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Chad504boy
New Orleans Saints Fan
Five Oh Four
Member since Feb 2005
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re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


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Drew Brees needs to restructure his contract. there is no reason to be making over $20 million a year.






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blueslover
New Orleans Saints Fan
soon to be south of zero
Member since Sep 2007
20766 posts

re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


Mickey called to confirm what he should do...

subtract Will Smith- net $3.5mil added

subtract Vilma net $1mil added

offer Harper $12mil for 3years with token signing bonus rolling bonuses further forward- save a couple a $mil a year
OR
cut him -take a $3.8mil cap hit and move on, only $1.5net added this year but $6mil added in 2014.

Restructure Jahri Evans, he's hitting almost $10mil a yr in cap for the next 4 years. Roll some forward a year or two and provide a couple of million for this year at least

If you aren't assured Hawthorne is a 3-4 ILB answer cut him. Will cost $6.5mil to save $8mil. $1.5mil net savings isn't worth it if ya think he's possibly legit in a 3-4. Big question to be answered.

Bunkley's role also needs to be defined. It would cost $4mil in cap to cut him. It would save a net $13mil over the next 4 years though (none in '13). If he is a real NT answer he's keepable even if spendy. As a 3-4DE $22mil worth of cap the next 4 years looks too exorbitant. I suspect he stays

Those will get you close to the projected cap, maybe not even under though. I thought Loomis did great with what he had to work with last year- maybe his best ever. This year will be an even larger challenge though. Certainly the toughest cap situation since '06.

Oh, we need $10-15 million a year for Bushrod or some other LT & a Jimmy Graham extension.







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Chad504boy
New Orleans Saints Fan
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Member since Feb 2005
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re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


lets just take the time to thank Roger Goodell for saving us all this cap space from all the draft picks he's taken away from us.





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Cajun Invasion
New Orleans Saints Fan
Abbeville, Louisianna
Member since Jan 2012
1203 posts

re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


Seems like we have this problem every year and Loomis finds a way to restructure contracts and have cap room to sign a couple good FAs. Guy really is genius at playing the numbers game.





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blueslover
New Orleans Saints Fan
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Member since Sep 2007
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re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


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Guy really is genius at playing the numbers game.

In full agreement. The challenges don't get any easier though. He has commented since the season ended that the cap tightness kinda rolls in waves. Right now we're bumping up to the tsunami type. We're 2nd or 3rd in highest projected cap for 2013 right now. $10-15mil over. All of what I listed above only starts to get ya there. There is no escaping the need for painful cuts in the ongoing battle to tame the cap.






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TigerBait1127
New Orleans Saints Fan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2005
27953 posts

re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


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Tom Brady doesn't do it and look where the patriots have been for the past eight years.


you realize Tom Brady's cap hit has been higher than Brees' every year?






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blueslover
New Orleans Saints Fan
soon to be south of zero
Member since Sep 2007
20766 posts

re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


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you realize Tom Brady's cap hit has been higher than Brees' every year?

correct and just for fun-

2013
Brady $21.8mil cap
Brees $17.4mil cap

2014
Brady $21.8mil cap
Brees$18.4mil cap






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WiskyMike
Member since Nov 2012
156 posts

re: Legit question: How will the Saints overcome cap problems?


Come on that's only because the patriots structured it that way. in real money Brady's below market contract is far less impactful towards the patriots salary cap and towards the construction of their team than Drews deal is.

Facts are facts Brady accepted a below-market deal for the good of his franchise, while Brees held out during a tumultuous off-season and demanded fair market value at the future expense of our roster. I fully expect Brees to restructure at the request of Loomis/Benson as he wants to win as badly as anybody in the NFL.



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