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This Team is not Good and Monty isn't Playing to Win
Posted on 1/30/13 at 8:16 am
Posted on 1/30/13 at 8:16 am
Seriously people, this is what rebuilding is supposed to look like. You leave Rivers and Roberts in when you should put your starters back in to stop the bleeding. You ration your rookie stud's minutes to keep him from hitting the wall. It's not Monty's fault, it's not the players fault, it's your fault for thinking this season is something other than developmental in nature.
In the last year of the CP3 era the top 3 minutes players were:
CP3 36 mpg
DWest 35 mpg
Ariza 34.7 mpg
Top 3 minutes players for this team:
Vasquez 34.3 mpg
Anderson 31.6 mpg
Gordon 29.6 mpg
Davis 28.7 mpg
Rivers 23.8 mpg
So your top minutes guy isn't even one of your best 3 players, your best 3 players are barely getting starters minutes, and one of your worst players is getting 6th man minutes.
Adjust your expectations and quit your belly aching.
In the last year of the CP3 era the top 3 minutes players were:
CP3 36 mpg
DWest 35 mpg
Ariza 34.7 mpg
Top 3 minutes players for this team:
Vasquez 34.3 mpg
Anderson 31.6 mpg
Gordon 29.6 mpg
Davis 28.7 mpg
Rivers 23.8 mpg
So your top minutes guy isn't even one of your best 3 players, your best 3 players are barely getting starters minutes, and one of your worst players is getting 6th man minutes.
Adjust your expectations and quit your belly aching.
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 8:28 am to TigerinATL
I have to agree. I think Monty is well aware this is not the year to make noise, and is really working on developing some if the guys that really need it. I don't like the term tanking because I don't think any professional team would play to lose, but I think he knows that this is going to yield better results long term. Gordon needs to rest as much as possible, while still getting back into game shape to avoid another setback. Davis is still learning but obviously has all the tools, and just really needs a full offseason of strength work. The really inexperienced guys will only play better next year as a result of this. I really cannot bring myself to think Monty doesn't know what he is doing. Just reassuring myself that its part of the process
Posted on 1/30/13 at 8:52 am to TigerinATL
I agree with almost everything you said
my frustration is Davis not getting 4th quarter minutes more than anything else. it made no sense last night. if its a minutes thing, then adjust his minutes in quarters 1-3.
Davis and Lopez had about the same shot of stopping howard, why not challenge your franchise player against one of the best and see how he does? at least let him compete
my frustration is Davis not getting 4th quarter minutes more than anything else. it made no sense last night. if its a minutes thing, then adjust his minutes in quarters 1-3.
Davis and Lopez had about the same shot of stopping howard, why not challenge your franchise player against one of the best and see how he does? at least let him compete
Posted on 1/30/13 at 9:21 am to TigerinATL
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This Team is not Good and Monty isn't Playing to Win
Thank you.
That stint where we won 7 straight or whatever when Gordon came back was one of the best things to happen to the team, but the worst thing for the fan base.
This team was never making the playoffs, yet there was a point last week where 50% of this board had threads talking about playoff probabilities and such.
This year is all about figuring out what we have and getting the rookies, mainly Davis, their NBA legs. Next year is when we should really be competing for a 6-8 seed.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 9:24 am to Broski
I agree, but if that's all the case:
1. Why is Davis not getting 4Q minutes?
2. Why the frick is Rivers not backing up GV? Good handle, finds Gordon. Instead we play a hot garbage rebate bin player in Roberts who will be cut before next year?
1. Why is Davis not getting 4Q minutes?
2. Why the frick is Rivers not backing up GV? Good handle, finds Gordon. Instead we play a hot garbage rebate bin player in Roberts who will be cut before next year?
Posted on 1/30/13 at 9:26 am to BrowDown
But "this team is not good" is going a bit far. If they're not good now, will adding a piece or two make them "good" enough for that 6-8 seed?
Posted on 1/30/13 at 9:28 am to corndeaux
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Davis and Lopez had about the same shot of stopping howard, why not challenge your franchise player against one of the best and see how he does? at least let him compete
This. Furthermore, even if it was a wash with post defense, at Davis's ability to show on the pick-n-roll's would be an improvement. Before picking up his fourth foul, he was a menace.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 9:37 am to TigerinATL
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This Team is not Good
hyperbole much? they're good, they're just not great. the bench was 11-38 shooting last night...smith was an awful 1 of 6. roberts was 0 of 6. the bench just had a bad night...it happens, and it was contagious. people are overreacting far too much about that loss last night.
in no way am i saying that the bench is an NBA caliber bench...but they've held their own at times. last night just wasn't one of them.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 9:38 am to TigerinATL
Well, Hornets Talk just went from 25 posters to 10.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 9:40 am to quail man
quote:since eric Gordon has been back and we've won more than we lost every time we lose a game all of sudden we are terrible again. we are playing pretty well all things considered imo
hyperbole much? they're good, they're just not great.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 9:42 am to Fleur de Diable
I agree with this
and this
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Davis's ability to show on the pick-n-roll's would be an improvement.
and this
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the bench was 11-38 shooting last night...smith was an awful 1 of 6. roberts was 0 of 6. the bench just had a bad night...it happens, and it was contagious. people are overreacting far too much about that loss last night.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 9:56 am to Fearthehat0307
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e are playing pretty well all things considered imo
exactly. it was one loss to a lakers team that is finally finding its identity...and it's the first game of a west coast swing. they battled back hard and kept it close at the end...probably could have won it if it wasn't for that awful no call on kobe/whoever stood in the lane for 20 seconds.
sucks, but whatever. they're staying competitive in just about every game since EG's gotten back, and I'll take that this season. everyone is on the books for the next few years. just build that team chemistry, show the fans the team is on the rise. that's what matters most. wins would be great, but if they don't happen every night, it's not the end of the world.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 9:58 am to TigerinATL
Stats be damned man, i dont see how the balloon bust so quick. They beat a good team in Memphis and then lose to 3 maybe 4 future hall of famers on the road, now they arent competing, they are practicing. Dont buy it.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:00 am to corndeaux
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Monty isn't Playing to Win
I don't agree here. So his emotions on the sideline are fake? C'mon...Monty is a competitor. I've heard him speak on many occasions and he is not the kind of man to not go out there and make sure his team can compete.
If a guy isn't playing, Monty has a legitimate reason for that. Just because he a particular reasoning not to play rookies in certain points of a game and because he knows his star 2 guard needs to rest his knee does not mean he isn't trying to win games. This team is very, and I mean very raw at certain positions. People on this board need to be realistic and chill out.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:01 am to slutiger5
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They beat a good team in Memphis
there's the biggest problem. people got up on the high horse after that win.
plus, there were a good number of rantards on here last night.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:06 am to TigerinATL
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This Team is not Good
I agree, we have a long way to go. I think this team has all of the markings of a team that CAN be good. A 19 year old future superstar that is developing, a player coming back from injury that has the tools to be elite, a stretch 4 that is an elite 3 point shooter, and a PG that is continuing to get better.
The depth of this roster is a major problem right now. It is truly abysmal, but Rome wasn't built in a day. Rosters take years to develop depth, and right now we are letting young guys get minutes. The Guard depth is just...ug.
Speaking of that, the lack of minutes in the 4th for AD is just bizarre.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:07 am to realtalk
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Monty isn't Playing to Win
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I don't agree here. So his emotions on the sideline are fake?
I think Monty WANTS to win. I think he does a lot to try to win. But his rotations to me sing a different song...he knows he needs to get guys minutes to develop, and he can TRY to win with what he is putting on the court, but he knows getting them minutes, and limiting other guys minutes, is the right thing to do for the future of the franchise.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:08 am to quail man
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plus, there were a good number of rantards on here last night
i hope you include yourself in this group.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:09 am to slutiger5
Everybody in this thread who believes this:
is clearly one of these:
quote:
Monty isn't Playing to Win
is clearly one of these:
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rantards
Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:15 am to slutiger5
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i hope you include yourself in this group.
what exactly did I say last night that would lead to your belief in that?
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