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re: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Troy" didnt?
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:56 pm to Fearthehat0307
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:56 pm to Fearthehat0307
The same people will trash Gladiator and suck off Braveheart. They're like the same damn movie. I honestly think Gladiator is slightly better and I love Braveheart.
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Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
The Gladiator wasn't very good. The backstory was mediocre. the action was hard to see with the camera moving so much. There was no sense of drama or that Maximus would die early or was in any real danger. And he was almost like a superhero.
The friendship plot was not developed enough with the fellow slaves and his becoming their leader was poorly done. There was no one to challenge him as the leader, he is just made it.
Troy was not very good either, but I don't want to get into its Achilles' heel.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:58 pm to beaverfever
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The same people will trash Gladiator and suck off Braveheart. They're like the same damn movie. I honestly think Gladiator is slightly better and I love Braveheart.
Braveheart story was more developed.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:58 pm to magildachunks
Well put.
I did think Bana was good in Troy fwiw
I did think Bana was good in Troy fwiw
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:01 pm to Carson123987
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I did think Bana was good in Troy fwiw
Definitely better than Phoenix was in Gladiator. Phoenix character just wasn't menacing. He was a whiny, spoiled little wimp.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:03 pm to magildachunks
quote::debbiedowner:
The Gladiator wasn't very good. The backstory was mediocre. the action was hard to see with the camera moving so much. There was no sense of drama or that Maximus would die early or was in any real danger. And he was almost like a superhero. The friendship plot was not developed enough with the fellow slaves and his becoming their leader was poorly done. There was no one to challenge him as the leader, he is just made it.
i'm glad I don't get this analytical when enjoying a movie. not saying there is anything wrong with it but it seems like movie viewing would be a miserable experience.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:04 pm to Fearthehat0307
Diane Kruger getting naked (again) in Troy made it a great movie in my book.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:07 pm to Fearthehat0307
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i'm glad I don't get this analytical when enjoying a movie. not saying there is anything wrong with it but it seems like movie viewing would be a miserable experience.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:09 pm to Fearthehat0307
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i'm glad I don't get this analytical when enjoying a movie. not saying there is anything wrong with it but it seems like movie viewing would be a miserable experience.
I normally don't do this the first time I see a movie. Upon subsequent viewings, I try to analyze the movie to see what works and what doesn't.
Film and Media Arts is my degree field. I have to study film for classes. Gladiator was actually one of the films we had to watch and then do a write up of why we did or didn't like it and give reasons for each.
The previous post was the main point of my writeup.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:18 pm to Rittdog
I think both movies are really good IMO
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:28 pm to Rittdog
I think Troy could be done better. Like someone said, less shiny. Make Achilles more relatable. I don't know.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:28 pm to magildachunks
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There was no sense of drama or that Maximus would die early or was in any real danger
Of course Russell Crowe is not going to die early on in a 2+ hour movie where he is the lead....What movie kills off the lead role early on?
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The friendship plot was not developed enough with the fellow slaves and his becoming their leader was poorly done. There was no one to challenge him as the leader, he is just made it.
I think it is realistic to believe that a general in a Roman Army will natural become a leader of a group of slaves/peasents/ criminals
Also, Pheonix played the part of a sick/twisted ruler perfectly. He was supposed to be whimpy...
This post was edited on 1/27/13 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:30 pm to Tiger1242
Better question is: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Robin Hood" didn't?
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:35 pm to Fenwick86
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Of course Russell Crowe is not going to die early on in a 2+ hour movie where he is the lead....What movie kills off the lead role early on?
Not the point. It seemed like he was never in any danger. He was almost a superhero in the movie.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:38 pm to magildachunks
Better acting?
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:41 pm to magildachunks
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There was no sense of drama or that Maximus would die early or was in any real danger. And he was almost like a superhero.
I think when you have a trained Roman war hero fighting slaves and criminals he would look pretty unstoppable
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The friendship plot was not developed enough with the fellow slaves and his becoming their leader was poorly done. There was no one to challenge him as the leader, he is just made it.
It was a long movie, they developed their friendship pretty well IMO, and when you're fighting for your life every day your going to grow close to the guys you're fighting a long side with
As far as him becoming their leader, he was a leader of the Roman military, and easily the best fighter in the group; if they wanted to live it was in their best interest to follow him, makes perfect sense to me
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:47 pm to magildachunks
He was in plenty of danger, he had to kill or be killed in multiple occasions. Of course we all knew he was going to come out victorious because he is the lead role and there was still too much time remaining in the film. No lead role is ever in any real danger of death until the end of a movie.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:49 pm to Chet Manley
quote:This one's easy. Because Robin Hood was complete shite.
Better question is: Why did "Gladiator" work and "Robin Hood" didn't?
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:54 pm to Fenwick86
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No lead role is ever in any real danger of death until the end of a movie.
unless they rope-a-dope you by advertising the movie as a vehicle for a star that dies right at the beginning like with Executive Decision and Steven Segal.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:57 pm to tigerfan88
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Troy...didn't have near the backstory and plot
This.
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