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buddhavista
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You don't like their laws? Stay the frick out of thier country.


this is pretty much the case.

if I went to singapore and got caught with a joint, I would be facing steep jail time. Yet, I can have a joint where I live and not have any risk. If I get caught in singapore with a joint and do jail time in their very very scary jails, is that my fault, singapores, or the gov'ts?

I vehemently disagree with iran's law and their handling of this case, but you know, they do have laws over there and you got to follow them if you visit them. If you can't follow them, then either don't visit or face the consequences.






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Antonio Moss
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I can recognize the difference in severity between murder and preaching an unpopular religion


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That's your opinion.


Meh, it's pretty much a natural fact which separates Western Civilization from the uncivilized heathens.






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WildTchoupitoulas
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If this country ever disintegrates into an intolerant enemy of religious freedom

So that's it, religious freedom? No other criteria? Any foreign notion that our ideas of freedom and personal liberty are belied by our incarceration rate are irrelevant?

I believe your hypocrisy is rooted in your jingoism.

Remember Luke 6:42






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WildTchoupitoulas
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Meh, it's pretty much a natural fact which separates Western Civilization from the uncivilized heathens.

What you're doing is judging the material world as more important than the spiritual one. And you want to call them "heathens"?

Irony.






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CITWTT
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They view the spiritual level of life on the physical world themselves. Kill an infidel and yourself according to an assload of fatwas(meaning you get a free pass) and you get 72 vaginas fresh and undefiled.





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WildTchoupitoulas
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Kill an infidel and yourself according to an assload of fatwas(meaning you get a free pass) and you get 72 vaginas fresh and undefiled.

So what? Are you prepared to receive criticism from them for all of our inconsistancies AND hypocrisies? I'm not. Therefore I will not criticize them for what I perceive as wrongful religious practices - WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THEIR OWN NATION.

This idea that we are responsible for other people's liberty is what drags us into foreign wars which leads to further erosion of our own Rights. Yeah, we should meddle in the affairs of the sovereignty of an Islamic nation. THAT'S never backfired on us before.



I wouldn't be averse to our making some sort of statement at the UN. Let THEM handle it. After all, that's the 'organization' that the rest of the world has agreed to govern themselves by.






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Mike da Tigah
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So that's it, religious freedom? No other criteria?



In this particular thread, regarding this particular topic, yeah, that's it.







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Tiguar
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Therefore I will not criticize them for what I perceive as wrongful religious practices - WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THEIR OWN NATION.

This.






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Mike da Tigah
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Therefore I will not criticize them for what I perceive as wrongful religious practices - WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THEIR OWN NATION.

This.



There is a line in which it does become our business though, wouldn't you say, and where is that line? I mean when do human rights violations warrant at least strong condemnation from other countries if not even other actions?

For instance, would the rounding up of Jews in Germany be acceptable, had they not invaded Poland? Would we say then as long as it were within the confines of their own nation?








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buddhavista
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There is a line in which it does become our business though, wouldn't you say, and where is that line? I mean when do human rights violations warrant at least strong condemnation from other countries if not even other actions?

its a tricky line to cross, especially when you have to contend with what would you allow in terms of foreigners getting involved in our business?

We have a really bad track record of executing people whose guilt was questionable, if not outright incorrect. Would you be ok with France imposing sanctions b.c we execute retards? What about a drone attack b.c we executed a man later found out to be innocent of all charges?

I think the best bet is to leave it the frick alone, i.e. no intervention unless another nation state is attacked. OR, you set criteria where international engagement occurs, and then we are consistent about it.

Otherwise I think you just have all sorts of issues.






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Mike da Tigah
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I think the best bet is to leave it the frick alone, i.e. no intervention unless another nation state is attacked. OR, you set criteria where international engagement occurs, and then we are consistent about it.


So no intervention in Kosovo to put an end to genocide?






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buddhavista
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So no intervention in Kosovo to put an end to genocide?


Correct. Just like we didn't intervene in rawanda around that time.

Its fine by me, but I think you have to have a policy that makes sense and is consistent. If you are consistent about how to approach it, it will set expectations for leaders and citizens alike.






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Mike da Tigah
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Correct. Just like we didn't intervene in rawanda around that time.



You're right. Surely it is I who has issues.







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AlaTiger
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Not many today, turn back the clock 500 years and the answer was MANY MANY MANY. Ever heard of the inquisition? Witch hunts?


Really? How many were killed in the Witch trials?






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Tiguar
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Some countries are shite holes.

By saying "don't go there if you don't want trouble", I don't think anyone here is condoning what's happening. I'm just not sure what we're supposed to do about it.






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WildTchoupitoulas
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There is a line in which it does become our business though, wouldn't you say, and where is that line? I mean when do human rights violations warrant at least strong condemnation from other countries if not even other actions? For instance, would the rounding up of Jews in Germany be acceptable, had they not invaded Poland? Would we say then as long as it were within the confines of their own nation?

Ask yourself this:

"At what point do I want foreign nations to interfere with our sovereignty?"






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WildTchoupitoulas
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I'm just not sure what we're supposed to do about it.

#UnitedNations






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BugAC
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No church, no faith, no person is free from sin


Well that sounds stupid. A church/faith is not capable of sin, because it is not a living being. People sin. Just like the gun control idiots. Guns aren't murdering people, people are murdering people.






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Mike da Tigah
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There is a line in which it does become our business though, wouldn't you say, and where is that line? I mean when do human rights violations warrant at least strong condemnation from other countries if not even other actions? For instance, would the rounding up of Jews in Germany be acceptable, had they not invaded Poland? Would we say then as long as it were within the confines of their own nation?

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Ask yourself this:

"At what point do I want foreign nations to interfere with our sovereignty?"


When this country has gotten to the point of genocide against its own citizens who are of a different faith than the majority I would at least hope so. At that low point in my country's history, would I not want someone to intervene on their behalf? How about if I were unfortunate enough to be on the receiving end of the genocide? Probably even more so, huh?










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WildTchoupitoulas
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When this country has gotten to the point of genocide against its own citizens who are of a different faith than the majority I would at least hope so.

Once you let them in, how do you get them to leave?

The founding fathers set up this country as a haven from the rest of the world's problems, not as its saviour. We are engaged in a n experiment that we're not quite finished with yet. Do we presume to push our imperfect system on others? Once you solve someone else's problems, they are your responsibility. What can we financially afford to do, globally?

Our founding fathers also set us up with open borders. I am much more willing to let those that can make it come here to escape the problems they encounter in their country of origin.

There are just too many issues against interfering. But then I'm not an absolutist. There may come a time when I am for it, but it would have to be a seriously extrodinary circumstance.






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