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re: Louisiana High School Football will split Public/Private. **Edited with Yes/No**

Posted on 1/30/13 at 8:18 am to
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 8:18 am to
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Curtis and Evangel will voluntarily move themselves up, especially Curtis knowing they won't sacrifice the other sports.


Sounds like Curtis wants to have their cake and eat it too.

Why doesn't Curtis put more emphasis on the other sports if they are so far behind? Perhaps the year-around football preparation harms the other sports.

John Curtis has 2A enrollment. They belong in 2A. If there was a rule allowing teams to play up, then they should play up in all sports.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 8:29 am to
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That wasn't an opinion of 104.5


Of the guest on 1045. Whatever.
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 8:31 am to
Sounds like Curtis wants to have their cake and eat it too.

Why doesn't Curtis put more emphasis on the other sports if they are so far behind? Perhaps the year-around football preparation harms the other sports.

John Curtis has 2A enrollment. They belong in 2A. If there was a rule allowing teams to play up, then they should play up in all sports.


How? Curtis just won a national championship out of 2A. They can repeat next year too. This is all happening in the small school division. If they really wanted to have their cake and eat it too, wouldn't they just want to stay in small schools? And gimme a break with the whole tired argument of "they should focus on other sports too". Show me one school that is the top of their game in every sport in their division.
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 8:43 am to
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If they really wanted to have their cake and eat it too, wouldn't they just want to stay in small schools? And gimme a break with the whole tired argument of "they should focus on other sports too". Show me one school that is the top of their game in every sport in their division.


JT Curtis has never played in the state's highest classification, even when the rules allowed it. His excuse, not mine, his excuse was that the other sports would suffer. Well, put a little bit more emphaisis on academics and you might attract more students. Put a little bit more emphaisis on other sports and you might have a better chance to compete. If not, then just stay in 2A where your enrollment figures place you.
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 8:48 am to
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Of the guest on 1045. Whatever.


who was a coach, reporting what the gyst of the meeting was.. I mean your gonna jump on the guy about quoting them.. he was quoting the same source..
This post was edited on 1/30/13 at 8:53 am
Posted by teke184
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 9:29 am to
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The biggest goal I'd have would be getting the 2A and 1A metro privates out of the same class as your rural public schools. U-High can almost accidentally recruit talent that Winnfield can never accumulate at their school. All it takes is for a football version of Collis to have a stud kid with a couple of buddies. Add in an LSU coach's kid that can play and just like that you've got 4-5 kids who are once-in-a-generation player at most 2A schools.



Screw that.

I don't mind jacking up the class on schools that outright recruit, but punishing a school because they "almost accidentally" recruit is bullshite.


The end result of this would be letting Winnfield move down to 1A where they MIGHT be able to beat Haynesville once in a blue moon while a bunch of small 1A-enrollment schools in NOLA and BR end up playing in 3A because of where they're located.
Posted by yallallcrazy
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 9:56 am to
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If the scenario of the guy who based the stats on how many kids participate, all of a sudden schools who don't cut will cut the fat left and right and how will that be good for sports in the state?


Yes, I guess so. It does seem to me that the JC and the ECA type schools have far more players than most, so I was looking at it that way. I doubt they would cut, since the success they have often is largely due to depth and specialization. Don't see too many 2 way players.

It just chaps my hide to see all selects lumped in with those two. Where I am, we can only dream of having the athletes a Winnfield has. We likely will start next season with 2 LBS under 5'8" and 160 lbs, a RB at about 5'6" and 135, and our QB also starting at LB.

Curtis, we ain't. But I'm sure we will win our share, as we always seem to. We can't get athletes in here, despite the supposed advantage of having a large geographical area to pull from. Many can't pay, many can't make the grades, many can't stay out of trouble. We figured out that we have to do something different to win. Preparation, film, conditioning,that's all we have.

So, I'm pissed that we are automatically considered 'cheaters', and I'm sure we are not the exception to the rule.
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:11 am to
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Yes, I guess so. It does seem to me that the JC and the ECA type schools have far more players than most, so I was looking at it that way. I doubt they would cut, since the success they have often is largely due to depth and specialization. Don't see too many 2 way players.

It just chaps my hide to see all selects lumped in with those two. Where I am, we can only dream of having the athletes a Winnfield has. We likely will start next season with 2 LBS under 5'8" and 160 lbs, a RB at about 5'6" and 135, and our QB also starting at LB.

Curtis, we ain't. But I'm sure we will win our share, as we always seem to. We can't get athletes in here, despite the supposed advantage of having a large geographical area to pull from. Many can't pay, many can't make the grades, many can't stay out of trouble. We figured out that we have to do something different to win. Preparation, film, conditioning,that's all we have.

So, I'm pissed that we are automatically considered 'cheaters', and I'm sure we are not the exception to the rule.


I don't understand how you want to segregate out two schools for working their butts off. Curtis is only 50 years old. Their first football season they didn't win a game. They went through 3 head coaches before JT. They have few rich alumni, and not a single player is given a scholarship. Yes, there are a couple on work study but I know for a fact that not all of them play football. Hell, some on work study don't play any sports at all.

Curtis does what most schools are scared to do. Discipline kids, dare to teach them Christian values (just watch what the coaches do if any kid tries to show off or act dumb), offer an honors program for gifted students (Curtis sends lots of kids to great schools and not just for sports, but don't let the media hype change your opinion), and most of all they work harder than any other team.

Does the program sell itself? Yes. But so what? Are you mad smart kids aspire to go to Tulane and Stanford (which Curtis has sent students in the past couple years)? Are you mad that catholics want to attend catholic school and non public? Don't be mad that there is a draw for some kids and their parents that they don't get from your school.

Complain all you want about not having the kids. As a guy who has coached in the LHSAA before and has worked with his fair share of athletes, I can tell you without a doubt that you can do a whole lot with a kid who isn't much of an athlete in 8th and 9th grade by the time he is a senior. It's just most coaches, and maybe yourself, aren't willing to work with the kid 12 months out of the year (for no money at that). Unless you are spending your weekends, your late evenings, and sometimes your early mornings developing your guys to be the best they can be, I can't really feel sorry for you.

Also, short doesn't mean jack. Eric Thomas is 5'7 and is getting a full ride to Tulane for football. Get in the weight room.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:19 am to
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who was a coach, reporting what the gyst of the meeting was.. I mean your gonna jump on the guy about quoting them.. he was quoting the same source..


Don't be a douche. When I said 1045 I meant he was listening to the station. I was wrong, he was quoting the same source though word for word.

It's not a big deal. Move along.
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:21 am to
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Why doesn't Curtis put more emphasis on the other sports if they are so far behind?


Their other sports (softball, baseball, volleyball) can beat the Ben Frankilins, Karr, OPWalkers.., but they don't matchup up against the Dominicans, Brother Martins, Jesuits.
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:23 am to
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Their other sports (softball, baseball, volleyball) can beat the Ben Frankilins, Karr, OPWalkers.., but they don't matchup up against the Dominicans, Brother Martins, Jesuits.


Especially the girls sports. Curtis probably has the least amount of girls of any 2A schools. It would be very hard to compete with those numbers in 5A. Once again, JT isnt going to throw his school under the bus for one sport. Evangel did it, and their other sports paid the price.
This post was edited on 1/30/13 at 10:24 am
Posted by League Champs
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:32 am to
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Did the publics really believe that the "selects" were going to willingly accept the steaming pile of stuff they tried to hand us, or was this for dramatic affect to get something else as an outcome?

I'm certain at this pont they dont care. If 88 private schools can come up with a 10-game schedule across 5 classes, they need to get after it.

88 schools divided into 5 classes is about 17/18 schools per class. Which essentially means only a north and a south division. Schools in Monroe will likely drive to Lake Charles for games within their classification. Wonder how that will affect the gate?
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:37 am to
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I'm certain at this pont they dont care. If 88 private schools can come up with a 10-game schedule across 5 classes, they need to get after it.

88 schools divided into 5 classes is about 17/18 schools per class. Which essentially means only a north and a south division. Schools in Monroe will likely drive to Lake Charles for games within their classification. Wonder how that will affect the gate?



I have a feeling there will be a lot of games filled by out of state teams.
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:39 am to
I heard a funny story yesterday. Someone told me that if the private association formed but wouldn't allow Curtis in, Curtis would stay in the LHSAA. This would most likely mean Evangel wouldn't be let in as well. Therefore, the two teams left in the LHSAA would be the two teams this is all about, and you can't have a two team division. They would have to be let to play in the regular division therefore creating a huge irony in the LHSAA. The schools voted to get rid of Curtis and ECA and those would be the only two schools left out of the selects!
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:44 am to
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I have a feeling there will be a lot of games filled by out of state teams.


Either that, or they will look to some of the MPSA schools to see if they're interested in joining them.

No inside knowledge on that, just pure speculation.
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:45 am to
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Either that, or they will look to some of the MPSA schools to see if they're interested in joining them.

No inside knowledge on that, just pure speculation.


Meh, those Miss schools didn't join the LHSAA because they wanted to avoid comp. Doubt they want to go where the best LA teams are headed.
Posted by League Champs
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:50 am to
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Someone told me that if the private association formed but wouldn't allow Curtis in, Curtis would stay in the LHSAA. This would most likely mean Evangel wouldn't be let in as well.

Wait, all these teams that are bitching about getting pushed out, are now going to push some of their own out?

Hypocrites much?
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:53 am to
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Hypocrites much?


No more hypocrites than the public schools that recruit and abuse the minority/majority rules to their advantage bitching about private schools.
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:57 am to
I hope it doesn't happen, but the tears would be so sweet from the public schools.
Posted by yallallcrazy
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 11:06 am to
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I don't understand how you want to segregate out two schools for working their butts off


Don't misunderstand me. I'm NOT in favor of the split, and I agree totally about Curtis. I've seen them play, and have told everyone around here who bitches that Curtis has athletes for sure, but is dominant because they play the most fundamentally sound high school football in the state and maybe the country. Coaches are coaching, not cheerleading.

My only point was that IF the problem is a couple of schools becoming too dominant, then try to fix it without demonizing anyone. I think you would agree that Curtis owes part of its success to being in the NO Metro area. It doesn't need to recruit- there are a lot of folks around there who will beat down their doors to send kids there. If Curtis was located in Winnsboro it would be a different animal. Some have alluded to private schools with 275 athletes out of 350 kids. If that is the issue-- getting too many athletes-- solve that creatively.

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I can tell you without a doubt that you can do a whole lot with a kid who isn't much of an athlete in 8th and 9th grade by the time he is a senior.


Also agree. This is the very definition of what the school my sons play for is doing. We aren't "Dome quality", but we are playoff quality pretty much all the time. I've been all over the internets lately and am just sick of hearing how we have this so-called advantage.

If I misread your post earlier, then I apologize. Likely just punch-drunk from reading the high school sports blogs!

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