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The public schools are pathetic! First they keep the Lord out of the classroom, and now they slight the Christian schools for their success on the football field.






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CourseyCorridor
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I would propose a multiplier that adjusts according to

1. Whether the school gives financial aid to athletes

and

2. How much population is within a certain radius of the school (I used 30 miles earlier...if they went 20 or 40, I'd be fine with either).

It wouldn't make sense to use the same multiplier for St. Edmund, which has a lot of rice fields around it, that you use for Curtis, which has probably a half million people or more within 20-30 minutes of the campus.

And the financial aid thing should be a big factor too. If you have a work-study program, that bumps you up. If you have a couple of big-money boosters basically paying tuition for the quarterback and his three favorite receivers, then damn it, you're 5A, end of story.







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Icansee4miles
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Anyone with insight on the meetings held today? Mascona teased it for 5:30, but I had to get on a phone call and missed his story.





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And the financial aid thing should be a big factor too. If you have a work-study program, that bumps you up. If you have a couple of big-money boosters basically paying tuition for the quarterback and his three favorite receivers, then damn it, you're 5A, end of story.


Impossible to probe the booster thing






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I would propose a multiplier that adjusts according to

1. Whether the school gives financial aid to athletes


How would you qualify this? The school I attended had all members of the incoming freshman class who had scored above a certain %ile on standardized testing go through an additional testing, writing, and interview process and awarded a partial (actually a rather insignificant ~$2k/annually out of $10k+ tuition) scholarship to the top 5 students for the duration of high school provided they maintained a certain GPA. I was one of the recipients of the award, and went on to be all-State in my sport as a freshman and throughout high school. My sport was not football or basketball or baseball, so I am sure no public schools would complain about "recruiting" in my case, but I am wondering how your proposal would handle situations like mine. For what it was worth, it would be difficult to argue that my receipt of the award was lacking in merit as I acquitted myself by becoming a National Merit and AP scholar later on.

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Anyone with insight on the meetings held today? Mascona teased it for 5:30, but I had to get on a phone call and missed his story.


What I heard re: the meeting at PBS--the "select" schools will seek an injunction to prevent the split from taking effect this fall. They will wait until next January's meeting to see what will happen. The question was posed, "If the publics vote us out again, who is in favor of breaking away completely?" All in attendance raised their hands. I assume they will begin planning their new organization immediately.






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yallallcrazy
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I would propose a multiplier that adjusts according to


How about one that rises as percent of your students that play that sport rises.
For instance, take average of all publics. Say 10% of the student body plays football. Use a multiplier that goes up 0.1 for every 10% increase. 400 students and 40 football players-- stay in 2A. 400 students and 100 football players? Multiple would be 2.5 which means you count as a school of 1000 kids.

My numbers are just made up and could be dramatically altered, but idea would work. Also, it could be applied to each sport. One of JT Curtis's objections has always been that not all their sports are dominant. Theoretically a school could be 5A in football and 3A in basketball.

Real point is, a fix is needed that doesn't lump all select admission schools together as football factories.






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RPC4LSU
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How about your success in a sport increases the classification you play in? You win the state championship or you are runner-up in a classification x number of years in a row you move up. Or maybe you get points for where you finish and your 2 year or 4 year average causes you to move up.





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LSUBASEBALL06
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The big issue about the split is no one knows (Not even the LHSAA office) who is a "Select" and who is a "non-select". If a school doesn't know what they are classified as, how will they know how to vote? And as the proposal is set, WHY would the Winfield Principal who wrote the proposal determine how the "select" plays their playoffs? If they are split, she should only worry about the Non-Select. The proposal said that there would be 5 non-select and 2 select championships. Let the Select group make up their playoff system if it is really split.





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GeorgeTheGreek
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You should cite 1045espn when you take their opinions almost word for word imo.





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LSUBASEBALL06
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i coach at pbs, so we have the same opinions. That was the talk at the meeting.





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GeorgeTheGreek
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Makes sense. Was there talk of a select only superclass if you will?

A select division, football only, that anyone can play up in?

Meaning PBS, Curtis, Evangel can play up if they so choose. Create another division for the rest of the 3A, 4A selects that don't want to bounce up.






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A 90-minute meeting that involved select-school coaches and administrators provided what Parkview Baptist Principal Don Green called “positive dialog,” along with a plan to inform the Louisiana High School Athletic Association’s executive committee of its views and questions.

The Tuesday meeting at Parkview attracted principals from as far away as Shreveport and Lake Charles. The Baton Rouge-based select-schools meeting was the area’s first since LHSAA member principals voted Friday to divide schools into separate football playoffs for nonselect and select schools starting this fall.

“We had a very productive meeting from the standpoint of understanding the association’s position and also trying to understand ours without being angry or reactive,” Green said. “There was a very nice result. And that result is that Myra Mansur (the athletic director at Episcopal), who is on the (LHSAA’s) executive committee, will be reporting to the executive committee. There’s a Thursday meeting there (at the LHSAA office).

“She will be reporting the sentiment of this group. We want to work with the association. We want to be compliant, obviously to the rules, while also making the association realize that this is something we really do not agree with.”

Many of those on hand declined comment as they left the closed-door meeting that was not open to the public or the media. Ron Brocato of the New Orleans-based Clarion-Herald newspaper reported that a similar closed-door meeting is planned in the New Orleans area Thursday.

LHSAA Executive Director Kenny Henderson was out of the office Tuesday, and his assistant, Donna Brown, said plans for a meeting later this week wouldn’t be finalized until Wednesday.

Catholic High football coach Dale Weiner said he was impressed with how the group calmly and collectively discussed working with the LHSAA and other numerous options, including potential litigation and the possibility that select schools, many of which are private schools, would elect to form their own association.

“I think the consensus was that we can’t sit on our hands and accept the status quo,” Weiner said. “I don’t think anybody wants to leave the association.


“But there was discussion about making our feelings known to the LHSAA, about some of the other possibilities out there, like litigation and about forming a separate association.

“With that said, who knows what’s going to happen from here? This was just one meeting. But I was real impressed with the way everyone discussed a number of things without being emotional about it.”

Notre Dame-Crowley football coach Lewis Cook added, “It was very productive to get everybody’s thoughts and feelings. Nobody wants to leave the LHSAA, but nobody is happy with this plan to split it, either. But we did get a plan together. That’s what today was about.”

Shreveport’s Evangel Christian was represented at the meeting, along with Natchitoches-based St. Mary’s.

The list of Baton Rouge schools in attendance included PBS, Episcopal, The Dunham School, St. Michael the Archangel, Catholic High, St. John-Plaquemine, Ascension Catholic and St. Joseph’s Academy.






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LSUBASEBALL06
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no talk of that.





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Name the issue. There'a not enough space on here and time to do so.

It's those who are on the outside and haven't coached in private or public schools at all or a limited time that don't know how things are really run.






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GeorgeTheGreek
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Very interesting. Thanks.





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CourseyCorridor
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How would you qualify this?


In Tennessee, schools that gave need-based financial aid were separated from the rest of their association, much like the proposed split here.

I think that would be your criteria and maybe a second criteria would be merit-based scholarships past a certain percentage of your school enrollment.

Basically, if you are a metro school with a large percentage of your students receiving need-based financial aid, then you get a huge bump in class and might be a school with 400-500 students playing 4A or 5A, if I were calling the shots. If you are a rural private that gives no need-based financial aid, you'd stand a good chance at staying in your same class.

Big difference between an urban private school that gives financial aid and is surrounded by 500k people within a reasonable commute and a rural school with maybe 30k or fewer people within 20-30 miles that gives no, or little, need-based aid (like a Sacred Heart-VP, for example).

The biggest goal I'd have would be getting the 2A and 1A metro privates out of the same class as your rural public schools. U-High can almost accidentally recruit talent that Winnfield can never accumulate at their school. All it takes is for a football version of Collis to have a stud kid with a couple of buddies. Add in an LSU coach's kid that can play and just like that you've got 4-5 kids who are once-in-a-generation player at most 2A schools.

That really isn't fair.

That's why the approach should be to factor in the urban population of the school and mix it in with how widespread financial aid is and whether that aid is based on merit or need.

The goal would be to get your urban schools all in the higher classes except in rare cases where an urban private is small and gives no financial aid or, at least, no need-based aid.

What if the school gives only merit-based aid? Then there should still be a multiplier, but only a slight one, I'd say.





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For instance, take average of all publics. Say 10% of the student body plays football. Use a multiplier that goes up 0.1 for every 10% increase. 400 students and 40 football players-- stay in 2A. 400 students and 100 football players? Multiple would be 2.5 which means you count as a school of 1000 kids


I don't like that because you would be encouraging schools to discourage participation. I remember back in the day when South Cameron had an 8-12 enrollment of maybe 400 and over 100 would be out of football, meaning more than half the boys in the school (this was back in the days when they would go to the Dome every now and then).








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Icansee4miles
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supa-thanks for the link. I heard from our AD this morning that there were a number of other schools attending not listed in The Advocate article. Did the publics really believe that the "selects" were going to willingly accept the steaming pile of stuff they tried to hand us, or was this for dramatic affect to get something else as an outcome?


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Louisiana High School Football will split Public/Private. **Edited with Yes/No**
You should cite 1045espn when you take their opinions almost word for word imo.




That wasn't an opinion of 104.5






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Some of you guys with your ridiculous scenarios for punishing competitive schools are insane. Since you are obviously talking about ECA and Curtis, you want to fix the solution? Let each sport determine what division to play starting from their enrollment based division. Curtis and Evangel will voluntarily move themselves up, especially Curtis knowing they won't sacrifice the other sports.

If the scenario of the guy who based the stats on how many kids participate, all of a sudden schools who don't cut will cut the fat left and right and how will that be good for sports in the state?






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