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re: I can't pull for Ray Lewis
Posted on 1/19/13 at 12:37 pm to dirtbag lsu
Posted on 1/19/13 at 12:37 pm to dirtbag lsu
Hes a geat player, but i just associate Ray Lewis with the guy that killed a guy.
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Posted on 1/19/13 at 12:39 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:ouch, never heard that part.
well except for the gun casings around victims and their friend admitting to firing shots
If true, the OP will to do some Ray Lewis-like dancing around that one to keep hammering his point home.
Posted on 1/19/13 at 12:42 pm to dominustd
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You can keep being a hack, but I'll just ignore you.
I'm going to assume you're talking about a nice taxi driver.
Posted on 1/19/13 at 12:44 pm to Jcorye1
I thought it was that they were stabbed with a unique special knife that was given to Ray Lewis as payment for making a public appearance.
Posted on 1/19/13 at 12:48 pm to dirtbag lsu
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I can't pull for Ray Lewis
Me either. But that concession stand stuff is priceless.
Posted on 1/19/13 at 12:52 pm to TigerBait1127
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except the gun casing were found next to the body of the victims and their friend admitted to firing them. So it is clear there were shots came from
That is the case for self defense right there. The defense argued that the victims fired the shots
No one came forward to say the VICTIMS pulled or fired any weapon. NONE, not even Lewis.
Testimony states shots fired after stabbings.
Clear case this was not self defense. The defense can claim any bs they want, but offered no evidence except the casings and that was explained by shots being fired after the stabbings when the defendants were speeding away.
Posted on 1/19/13 at 12:55 pm to dominustd
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No one came forward to say the VICTIMS pulled or fired any weapon. NONE, not even Lewis.
no, but the person they were associated with in the fight admitted to having a gun and firing the shots. Who broke the bottle?
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Testimony states shots fired after stabbings.
ok, ever heard of a thing called reasonable doubt? Having gun casings next to a person's body tends to bring that up. Then again, you weren't even informed enough to know where the shots came from
Eye witness accounts actually claim that ray lewis was trying to break up the fight
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Clear case this was not self defense
except for the gun shots and the broken bottle and the brawl
This post was edited on 1/19/13 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 1/19/13 at 1:05 pm to TigerBait1127
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no, but the person they were associated with in the fight admitted to having a gun and firing the shots. Who broke the bottle?
After the stabbings.
One of the victims used the bottle, but excuse me for knowing that's not an excuse to pull a knife to kill somebody in retaliation.
The other victim was stabbed for what good reason?
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ok, ever heard of a thing called reasonable doubt? Having gun casings next to a person's body tends to bring that up. Then again, you weren't even informed enough to know where the shots came from
The case the DA brought was terrible thus there was reasonable doubt as to who did the stabbing.
The judge let a witness perjure himself on the stand. He should have punished the witness for changing his story.
This was not a self defense defense. Nice try though.
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except for the gun shots
After the...
quote:and stabbings.
... the broken bottle and the brawl
So they both deserved to get stabbed to death. :gotit:
This post was edited on 1/19/13 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 1/19/13 at 1:08 pm to dominustd
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So they both deserved to get stabbed to death. :gotit:
clearly what I said. Your reading comprehension is incredible.
The point is that there was a clear case for self defense and reasonable doubt. A bottle and a gun can both be considered weapons, and they didn't even find the murder weapon. The knife found at the scene didn't have blood and they couldn't lift a fingerprint
If you want to put all your faith in the eye witness accounts, then you have to believe that Ray Lewis acted as a peacemaker
This post was edited on 1/19/13 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 1/19/13 at 1:10 pm to TigerBait1127
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If you want to put all your faith in the eye witness accounts
If he wants to do that, he'd be the shittiest lawyer alive.
Eyewitness accounts always look great in television and in the newspapers, but it's so easy to make them look like assholes.
You want to give the jury something they can feel, see, touch, and handle.
Posted on 1/19/13 at 1:20 pm to dominustd
quote:You said yourself that a bottle was hit over the head of one of the guy's in Lewis's group, what are you talking about clear case?
Clear case this was not self defense.
Posted on 1/19/13 at 1:22 pm to dominustd
quote:Are you being serious right now?
One of the victims used the bottle, but excuse me for knowing that's not an excuse to pull a knife to kill somebody in retaliation.
There isn't much of a difference between a sharp, broken bottle and a knife.
If someone is coming at you with a broken bottle to cut you and you have a knife, that's not an excuse to use it? Seriously?
Posted on 1/19/13 at 1:23 pm to shel311
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If someone is coming at you with a broken bottle to cut you and you have a knife, that's not an excuse to use it? Seriously?
You shush with all this logic.
Posted on 1/19/13 at 1:23 pm to dominustd
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One of the victims used the bottle, but excuse me for knowing that's not an excuse to pull a knife to kill somebody in retaliation.
Posted on 1/19/13 at 1:59 pm to tigerpimpbot
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Hackett said a friend of Pitts, 23-year-old Turquorius Vines, is the only witness who identified Leonard as the gunman from a lineup, but others said he was at the party. The detective said Vines told officers that he handed two beers to Pitts when the fighting started and then Pitts hit Leonard and one of his friends with the bottles before Leonard started "shooting in all directions."
Getting hit w/ a bottle not an excuse to kill in retaliation. It is not self defense
Shel,
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If someone is coming at you with a broken bottle to cut you and you have a knife, that's not an excuse to use it? Seriously?
That's not what happened in this case. Not at all. You are clearly reaching here.
See case above. Same thing and guy got killed and the killer is being prosecuted.
Lewis case: He hit the guy over the head w/ a bottle after argument started, bottle broke apart, then fists, then stabbing.
This post was edited on 1/19/13 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 1/19/13 at 2:23 pm to dominustd
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Getting hit w/ a bottle not an excuse to kill in retaliation. It is not self defense
First off, you are linking to a crime charged in the State of Alabama, not Georgia. Second, you have a different set of circumstances, in that the retaliatory weapon was a gun and not a knife wielded by one person against 6. It occurred at someone's apartment where the shooter came with a gun, possibly showing that there was some prior intent on the part of the shooter, which is evidence that may be in the prosecution's possession. Third, you have the Auburn DA charging a dude that shot some Auburn football players at Auburn. Finally, and this just at first glance, this dude has only been charged and not convicted.
This post was edited on 1/19/13 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 1/19/13 at 2:42 pm to tigerpimpbot
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He's retiring...
But it will be far from the last we see of him, he will be all over tv, in the broadcast booth, etc.
Posted on 1/19/13 at 2:44 pm to dominustd
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That's not what happened in this case. Not at all. You are clearly reaching here.
Yet again, were you there?
Posted on 1/19/13 at 2:55 pm to Jcorye1
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Yet again, were you there?
No. You neither, but I do SEE and KNOW by what I read about the case/testimonies.
The guy did NOT come a Lewis' group w/ a broken bottle. That is a fact. Otherwise it would have been widely reported and brought out in trial.
The two defendants had extensive criminal backgrounds yet we are to believe they acted in self-defense even though one of them was considered to be an instigator.
Much like the case I linked. It doesn't fit y'all's narrative of self-defense, so you have to dodge, deflect, make excuses, etc.
Posted on 1/19/13 at 3:00 pm to dominustd
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Much like the case I linked. It doesn't fit y'all's narrative of self-defense, so you have to dodge, deflect, make excuses, etc.
Were you a prosecutor in the Durham NC area around 2006?
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