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Posted on 3/8/13 at 2:56 pm to Baloo
And of course there was chatter this offseason about Perry to the Pens. The Ducks were awful last year. They finished 15 points out of the playoffs, and were staring down two of their three best players becoming free agents. They were quite likely to trade Perry if this season looked like last season, and sure, the Pens could've been a partner. But it hasn't worked out that way. They are in the mix.
You don't make a white flag trade when you're the second best team in the NHL. The situation has changed.
You don't make a white flag trade when you're the second best team in the NHL. The situation has changed.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 2:57 pm to Baloo
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If they want to sign Perry, I think they can.
Not about that, are you not familiar with Justin Schultz? That's why I said Justin Schultz 2.0.
Perry won't want to sign with Anaheim, not new news there.
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And if you trade with the Pens, what are you gonan get? The Pens' top prospects are all defensemen (hockey future ranks 4 of the Pens top 5 has D-men). You're gonna trade Corey f'n Perry for two AHL blueliners and a late 1st round pick?
That would be a homerun for them. The Pens are loaded in the farm with some of the top D prospects in the game and a 1st round pick would seal it since this draft is loaded deep.
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Oh, while also telling your fanbase that you're not trying to win.
The same fanbase that has them near the very bottom in attendance despite their success?
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I think the Pens trading for Perry is delusional.
Been rumored for a year straight now, so yeah. If the Pens offered the house at Parise, they can obviously sign Perry long term as well with 10 million in cap space to backload the contract.
But like I said, Pens are likely getting Alfredsson and they'll stop there.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 3:03 pm to UltimateHog
I guess I should correct myself, Alfredsson makes more sense to me, but GM's are saying the Pens will get Jarome Iginla.
Who knows, Pens will definitely be adding a key player, that's for sure.
Who knows, Pens will definitely be adding a key player, that's for sure.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 3:06 pm to UltimateHog
I'm familiar with Schultz, but that has nothing to do with this at all. If anything, it makes it even more imperative they try and sign Perry. Schultz never played a game for the Ducks or in their organization. He spurned their offer.
The fact they have declining attendance, again, helps my case, not yours. They can't alienate their tenuous fan support. First time in forever the team is good, and they are gonna waive the white flag? Ask the Marlins what that does to your franchise and fan support.
So.. the Ducks are unexpectedly in Stanley Cup contention, and you think they should ship off one of their best players to build for the future 3-4 years down the road (which I'm sure the fans will patiently wait for), just so the Pens can win? The Ducks are not your farm team.
The fact they have declining attendance, again, helps my case, not yours. They can't alienate their tenuous fan support. First time in forever the team is good, and they are gonna waive the white flag? Ask the Marlins what that does to your franchise and fan support.
So.. the Ducks are unexpectedly in Stanley Cup contention, and you think they should ship off one of their best players to build for the future 3-4 years down the road (which I'm sure the fans will patiently wait for), just so the Pens can win? The Ducks are not your farm team.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 3:09 pm to UltimateHog
Now Iginla or Alfredsson makes sense. The Flames are going nowhere and while the Sens are a nice story, playing well with all of those injuries, they know they have little chance of actually winning the Cup. Though I think if Ottawa keeps winning, it becomes harder to trade him without getting a guy who can play right now back.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 3:11 pm to Baloo
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He spurned their offer.
BINGO. Finally you get it. Perry does not want so resign with Anaheim, this is well known to everyone but apparently you.
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The fact they have declining attendance, again, helps my case, not yours. They can't alienate their tenuous fan support. First time in forever the team is good, and they are gonna waive the white flag?
You can't let fans decide your fate or your future, and you can't lose another high end player for free for 1 year even if it is a cup, then he's gone, not worth it.
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So.. the Ducks are unexpectedly in Stanley Cup contention, and you think they should ship off one of their best players to build for the future 3-4 years down the road (which I'm sure the fans will patiently wait for)
Again, fans are fans, either stay or go. Have to do what is best for the franchise and long term > short term always wins out.
Now that Getzlaf is resigned they will talk with Perry's agent and if he isn't going to resign, they'll ship him at the deadline.
Leafs and Penguins would be the top 2 teams for Perry right now.
Again, Pens will likely settle for Alfredsson or Iginla.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 3:14 pm to Baloo
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Now Iginla or Alfredsson makes sense.
Absolutely.
The latest update yesterday from NHLTradeRumors:
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Many GMs think the Penguins will make a deal for Jarome Iginla.
Similar site to MLBTradeRumors, great site if you don't follow it for NHL rumors.
Their Top 5 rental players list came out today and is as follows:
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1. Corey Perry – $5.3 million. Asking price could be a roster player, 1st round pick and a good prospect.
2. Daniel Alfredsson – $4.9 million. Asking price could be a 1st round pick, B-level prospect and conditional draft pick based on playoff success.
3. David Clarkson – $2.7 million. Asking price could be a 1st round pick and a prospect. Source added, ”You only try to do that if you think you can re-sign him.“
4. Jarome Iginla – $7 million with a no-movement clause. Asking price could be a Grade A prospect and a 2nd round that becomes a 1st if the team wins the cup.
5. Mike Ribeiro – $5 million with a no-trade clause. Asking price could be a 1st round pick and a B-level prospect.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 3:18 pm to UltimateHog
Jack Johnson is also another real possibility for the Pens to add.
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Rob Rossi of the Pittsburgh Tribune Review: Penguins defenseman Simon Despres is available again. Three members of of the Blue Jackets organization were at the Penguins-Lightning game, GM Jarmo Kekalainen, assistant GM Chris MacFarland and senior advisor Craig Patrick. The Penguins are looking to add a defenseman that could play with Kris Letang, or for insurance if Letang is traded before his contract expires at the end of next season. GM Ray Shero said he hopes to sign Letang and Evgeni Malkin to contract extensions. Blue Jackets defenseman Jack Johnson could fit along side Letang. Johnson has a cap of $4.35 million through 2017-18.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 3:25 pm to UltimateHog
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Perry does not want so resign with Anaheim, this is well known to everyone but apparently you.
Based on what? How does Schultz not signing have anything to do with Perry signing or not signing? They are completely independent events. Perry's already told the press that Getzlaf being in Anaheim longterm will impact his decision (though of course he's gonna do what's best for him). I think he walks, but is it worth it if you win the Cup? Of course it is.
Teams like to sell tickets. They like money. A Stanley Cup run would be a boon to this franchise, even if you lose. Getting some playoff cash would be awesome for the Ducks. I think they add a blueliner for a playoff run, and let Perry walk in the offseason.
You're in the business to win and make money. Keeping Perry past the deadline makes both more likely. The only way they trade Perry is if they get back a guy who could eventually be a stud winger. The Pens can't offer that. The situation has changed, radically, from two months ago. You don't seem to realize that. You're only looking at what's good for the Penguins. Other teams have their own goals, too.
Teams don't just give things to the Penguins for free. Well, except the Stars, but that was a one time thing.
i'm not even sure Alfredsson gets moved. and given the Flames track record, they might dither and fail to move Iginla via their own stupidity.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 3:30 pm to Baloo
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I think he walks, but is it worth it if you win the Cup?
I don't think it is, one year to boost sales until you suck the next season because your best player is gone and you're right back to where you were in 2011 with terrible attendance and a weak team.
Depends on what their GM decides to do, if he gets a great offer, he'll ship him IMO.
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Well, except the Stars, but that was a one time thing.
Bless them.
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i'm not even sure Alfredsson gets moved. and given the Flames track record, they might dither and fail to move Iginla via their own stupidity.
They will likely both get moved, now which one the Pens decide to get who knows, GM's are saying Iginla, I'd be happy with either one, or even Jack Johnson.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 3:39 pm to Baloo
Also, great players rarely get moved at the deadline. Check out the past history of deadline deals...
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Who's the biggest player since 2007-08 to get moved, when both Richards and Hossa moved from awful teams? Jason Arnott? Dennis Seidenberg?
Players like Perry rarely get moved. Hell, Iginla should've been traded 2 years ago and he still hasn't. It nomrally takes a team hopelessly out of contention, which we don't have this year. The Isles didn't even trade PA Parenteau last year. And, clearly, neither of the Nashville blueliners got moved.
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Who's the biggest player since 2007-08 to get moved, when both Richards and Hossa moved from awful teams? Jason Arnott? Dennis Seidenberg?
Players like Perry rarely get moved. Hell, Iginla should've been traded 2 years ago and he still hasn't. It nomrally takes a team hopelessly out of contention, which we don't have this year. The Isles didn't even trade PA Parenteau last year. And, clearly, neither of the Nashville blueliners got moved.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 3:45 pm to UltimateHog
quote:If short term = winning the Cup THIS year, I'd say short term >>>>>>> long term in their eyes. The whole point of building a team is to win the Cup. If you're going to trade players for the future when you are a favorite to make the Finals, then why the hell do you own a team?
Have to do what is best for the franchise and long term > short term always wins out.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 3:48 pm to Baloo
I think we are going to see a very active trade deadline this year, moreso than any recent years.
Partly because of the new CBA and the cap lowering next season before it goes back up in 2015 will have teams wanting to get ahead of that curve.
Partly because of the new CBA and the cap lowering next season before it goes back up in 2015 will have teams wanting to get ahead of that curve.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 3:49 pm to UltimateHog
quote:Yep. Schultz ditched us. And we're the 2nd best team in the league right now. It didn't exactly ruin our franchise. The Ducks have a lot of talent on the roster. That's why I said I'm not worried if Perry leaves. Cogliano is quickly becoming a beast. Granted, the now looks a lot better than the later for the Ducks. Soon we'll lose the veteran leadership of Teemu and Koivu. All the more reason to throw all of your eggs in one basket and go for the Cup this year. Same mindset as the 2011 Mavs.
are you not familiar with Justin Schultz? That's why I said Justin Schultz 2.0.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 3:49 pm to Drewbie
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If short term = winning the Cup THIS year, I'd say short term >>>>>>> long term in their eyes.
Hard to say, chance at winning cup for 1 year and then sucking for the next 3+ years because you lost your best player for free from that team?
Tough call to make, especially if you don't win the cup and lose your best player for free ontop of that, then you have really crippled yourself.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 3:50 pm to Drewbie
Yeah, I think the Ducks should ADD a player. Robin Regher's contract is coming off the books and the Sabres suck balls. The Ducks should think about offering a B-level prospect and a draft pick to the Sabres to get a quality stay at home defenseman.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 3:51 pm to Drewbie
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Same mindset as the 2011 Mavs.
And look at how bad the Mavs are now and how PISSED their fans are at the ownership?
The Mavs are in a terrible place now from doing that.
HUGE gamble to take in hockey with limited fan support as is in Anaheim.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 3:52 pm to UltimateHog
But they're not gonna suck for the next three years. the Ducks have a well-regarded farm system and tons of cap room. Oh, and two All-Stars. Getzlaf and Ryan are still on the team, right?
They lose Perry and they sign two or three guys to replace him. It'll hurt, but it's not a deathblow.
ETA: This isn't really analogous to the Mavs, whose fans aren't really THAT upset anyway. The Mavs didn't resign Chandler because they convinced themselves two free agents were gonna sign with them, which was borderline insane. Here, the Ducks are choosing one superstar over another, and then making a run at a title. It would be like if the Mavs let Chandler walk but actually signed Dwight Howard.
They lose Perry and they sign two or three guys to replace him. It'll hurt, but it's not a deathblow.
ETA: This isn't really analogous to the Mavs, whose fans aren't really THAT upset anyway. The Mavs didn't resign Chandler because they convinced themselves two free agents were gonna sign with them, which was borderline insane. Here, the Ducks are choosing one superstar over another, and then making a run at a title. It would be like if the Mavs let Chandler walk but actually signed Dwight Howard.
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Posted on 3/8/13 at 3:54 pm to Baloo
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But they're not gonna suck for the next three years. the Ducks have a well-regarded farm system and tons of cap room.
Impossible to know how that pans out.
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They lose Perry and they sign two or three guys to replace him.
If only it was that easy.
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