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Should the juicers get into the Baseball HoF?
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:28 am
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:28 am
Bonds, Sosa, Clemens all up for their first ballot into the hall. None is expected to get the 75% voted needed today to go in. Should they get in?
IMO if Lance Armstrong is going to have his SEVEN Tour de France titles vacated, then no one who evidence shows was likely on the juice should be put in a Hall of Fame in any sport. They are cheats.
Additionally, if it were left up to me, any record set during the Steroid Era by anyone suspected of juicing would have an asterisk by it denoting it was a Steroid Era record.
IMO if Lance Armstrong is going to have his SEVEN Tour de France titles vacated, then no one who evidence shows was likely on the juice should be put in a Hall of Fame in any sport. They are cheats.
Additionally, if it were left up to me, any record set during the Steroid Era by anyone suspected of juicing would have an asterisk by it denoting it was a Steroid Era record.
This post was edited on 1/9/13 at 9:29 am
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:29 am to MonroeTiger80
No. And they won't.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:32 am to MonroeTiger80
Yes...most of the players of that era were juicing...they were the best of those that juiced. Moreover, Sosa, Bonds and Clemens never tested positive.
I can understand keeping Palmeiro out because he tested positive after the drugs were banned.
Basically all of the challengers to Lance Armstrong have also tested positive for banned substances. He was the best rider in the world...and they were all cheating. There have been physiological test on Armstrong that indicate his heart and lung capacity make him a genetic freak. Take the drugs away from everyone and he would have been the best. He evened the playing field by cheating.
I can understand keeping Palmeiro out because he tested positive after the drugs were banned.
Basically all of the challengers to Lance Armstrong have also tested positive for banned substances. He was the best rider in the world...and they were all cheating. There have been physiological test on Armstrong that indicate his heart and lung capacity make him a genetic freak. Take the drugs away from everyone and he would have been the best. He evened the playing field by cheating.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:32 am to MonroeTiger80
No. And it's fricked up Dale Murphy isn't getting in. 
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:49 am to DeltaDoc
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Yes...most of the players of that era were juicing.
O really?
Proof?
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:51 am to barry
Juice doesn't help your hand-eye coordination 
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:53 am to MonroeTiger80
quote:Bagwell might get in hopefully
Additionally, if it were left up to me, any record set during the Steroid Era by anyone suspected of juicing would have an asterisk by it denoting it was a Steroid Era record.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:54 am to barry
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Proof?
Do you have proof that Bonds, Sosa and Clemens juiced?
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:57 am to Black n Gold
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Juice doesn't help your hand-eye coordination
This post was edited on 1/9/13 at 9:59 am
Posted on 1/9/13 at 9:59 am to DeltaDoc
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Do you have proof that Bonds, Sosa and Clemens juiced?
Posted on 1/9/13 at 10:00 am to DeltaDoc
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Do you have proof that Bonds,
Are you joking? Ugh the balco trial where he admitted to using the cream and the clear, he said he just didn't know it was steroids
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Clemens
Brian Mcnamee
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Sosa
2003 MLB drug test that were released.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 10:00 am to DeltaDoc
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Do you have proof that Bonds, Sosa and Clemens juiced?
This post was edited on 1/9/13 at 10:03 am
Posted on 1/9/13 at 10:03 am to MonroeTiger80
Absolutely. It wasn't against the rules and was actively encouraged by the clubs and studiously ignored by the writers. Then we turn around and damn them all to hell. It's hypocritical.
And we have cheaters in the Hall, and more than our share of drug users. Hell, Koufax got steroid injections (not anabolic, and it was related to surgery). The entire 50s and 60s generation was addicted to greenies.
Whatever. It's not hard to look at an era, see the distorted effect, and make a discount for context. No, 500 HR doesn't mean as much in the 1990s, but it's not meaningLESS. Much like a 2.50 ERA in the 60s. Or a 300 batting average in the 30s. Context has always changed throughout baseball history.
And we have cheaters in the Hall, and more than our share of drug users. Hell, Koufax got steroid injections (not anabolic, and it was related to surgery). The entire 50s and 60s generation was addicted to greenies.
Whatever. It's not hard to look at an era, see the distorted effect, and make a discount for context. No, 500 HR doesn't mean as much in the 1990s, but it's not meaningLESS. Much like a 2.50 ERA in the 60s. Or a 300 batting average in the 30s. Context has always changed throughout baseball history.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 10:05 am to MonroeTiger80
if we're calling the 90's and early 2000's the steroid era, then the writers need to accept that and vote for players who were the best of their era
not act like hypocrites
not act like hypocrites
Posted on 1/9/13 at 10:05 am to Baloo
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It wasn't against the rules
It wasn't against the rules to use illegal drugs?
Come on Baloo.
I'm not saying i wouldn't vote them in, except Sosa.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 10:09 am to barry
Hell no! And i dont like the excuse that if most in this era were doing it they should get in. That doesnt make it right, its still cheating and not fair to anyone before them that done it the right way. Cheating is cheating, why the hell wouldnt one of the best ever pete rose cant get in and he didnt even cheat himself playing the sport!
Posted on 1/9/13 at 10:10 am to barry
No, it wasn't. In fact, Fay Vincent wrote a memo in the early 90s to consider changing the rules, but it never got passed by the owners. Baseball considered changing the rules regarding steroids AND REFUSED TO DO SO.
Kirby Puckett actually broke the law (aggravated assault). He's in the Hall, and was elected by this group of writers recently.
Kirby Puckett actually broke the law (aggravated assault). He's in the Hall, and was elected by this group of writers recently.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 10:10 am to Baloo
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he entire 50s and 60s generation was addicted to greenies.
70's and 80's
Posted on 1/9/13 at 10:10 am to barry
They were addicted to cocaine.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 10:11 am to Baloo
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. In fact, Fay Vincent wrote a memo in the early 90s to consider changing the rules, but it never got passed by the owners. Baseball considered changing the rules regarding steroids AND REFUSED TO DO SO.
MLB has no authority to make steroids legal.
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