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Realistic Offensive Coordinator Discussion with Historical Insight

Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:03 pm
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:03 pm
We all know the offense could be better and want a change, but some context needs to be established to understand what is happening right now.

Jimbo Fisher

His relationship with Miles was okay and at times publicly contentious on the sidelines. There were times they'd verbally go at it during games and those close to the team at the time knew this. They simply had professional disagreements on how the offense should operate. No more, no less. Albeit, Jimbo had more sway than our last few OC's and that's why our offense seemed so different then. In the end, Fisher left for a better opportunity for career advancement.

Crowton

Then comes in Crowton. In the beginning he had more leeway while maintaining some of Fisher's offense. We had great success in 2007, which also falls in line with his pattern.

Then 2008 came, post the Perrilloux debacle Lee was thrown into the fire and aside from the pic 6s throwing us out of games, the offense still looked good. That would all change in 2009. Miles wanted to control the ball and let the defense maintain the tempo of the game. A conservative strategy in reaction to the turnover machine of 2008 that paid off.

The few games Miles gave Crowton more leeway were the bowl games.

One of the major reasons Miles didn't fire Crowton was because Miles is a man of integrity. He wasn't about to fire Crowton for the play calling when Les knew he, himself, was overriding Crowton in game.

In the end, Crowton WANTED to leave.

Stud

Someone close to Les is hired. someone he can communicate easier with on the sidelines. Someone with the OLine mentality. Currently we are still under the post 2009 montra. Miles stepping in and calling offensive plays on the sideline along with Stud in order to maintain ball control. Defense.

The Point

Those asking Miles to find a new OC need to realize this probably will not occur because Miles knows how much HE really influences the offense. HE is not going to can Stud. Les is an honest man. If the decision is truly left up to him and he wants to make a change to the offense, we can only ask him to trust Stud more and hope Stud is up to the challenge.

That's pretty much it unless someone higher up forces the issue.
Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
10063 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:06 pm to
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Stud

Someone close to Les is hired. someone he can communicate easier with on the sidelines. Someone with the OLine mentality. Currently we are still under the post 2009 montra. Miles stepping in and calling offensive plays on the sideline along with Stud in order to maintain ball control. Defense


Actually Kragthorpe was hired and Stud took over due to Krag's condition.

I believe he had every intention of turning the offense completely over to Kragthorpe, but some things interrupted that.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:07 pm to
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Actually Kragthorpe was hired and Stud took over due to Krag's condition.


Yeah I know. I left that out because Krag really never had the opportunity to be the head OC because of what happened.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:08 pm to
Personally, I think Stud is a fat, waste of space, highschool-esque good-ole-boy coach that has no business NEAR the reigns of the offense of a program LSU's caliber.

Honestly, I don't want him near the OLine either. Lets hire Ben Wilkerson and set Stud up somewhere with a HC gig or cushy OC gig. Then lets get some up-and-coming pro-style offensive guru to throw some wrinkles into Les' offense or at least get him to shake it up. The next Dana Holgerson or something like that.



This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 4:09 pm
Posted by HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
Bossier City
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:09 pm to
BBQ boys
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57229 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:11 pm to
quote:

Personally, I think Stud is a fat, waste of space, HS good-ole-boy coach that has no business NEAR the reigns of the offense of a program LSU's caliber.


Well that's the rub of the whole issue. Either we give Miles all control or trust Stud to try something different.
Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
10063 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:11 pm to
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Yeah I know. I left that out because Krag really never had the opportunity to be the head OC because of what happened


I get it, I'm just saying we have no idea how much control Krag would have had over the offense. Once Stud took over, we should have known Les would still be in control.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57229 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:13 pm to
quote:

I get it, I'm just saying we have no idea how much control Krag would have had over the offense. Once Stud took over, we should have known Les would still be in control.


I can understand why Miles did so AT FIRST because of the Krags situation, but it's time for the offensive vision to change, and that change has to come from our current OC
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:14 pm to
would you really consider Holgerson pro-style?
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68360 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:14 pm to
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n the end, Crowton WANTED to leave.


Like he wanted to leave la tech, byu, oregon and maryland?

Look, Jimbo had some putrid offenses under saban. Look at 2002 and 2004. They were worse than 09 and 10.

Crowton tried the same shite at maryland and was quickly fired. He turned the acc offensive player of the year into a bench warmer. Pretty much keeps rt on tract with qbs regressing under him.
Posted by Party At LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2005
10691 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:15 pm to
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Well that's the rub of the whole issue.


ISWYDT
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:15 pm to
My biggest problem with the Stud situation is that the root of a lot of our offensive problems now is in the line... and it has been ever since he took over at OC. We need someone more focused on the O-Line while someone else handles the playcalling duties.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57229 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:16 pm to
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Like he wanted to leave la tech, byu, oregon and maryland?


Believe what you want.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

would you really consider Holgerson pro-style?



I would consider Miles' tame version of Holgerson pro-style. It would be 20% his style, which I would take. And he can develop the shite out of a QB and WR which we need. I know we won't get him, but someone up-and-coming like him.

Posted by afatgreekcat
Atlanta, GA
Member since Jan 2013
2828 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:16 pm to
Basically you're saying

Bama stackeddd
LSU frickeddd
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68360 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:18 pm to
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Honestly, I don't want him near the OLine either.


they actually improved under him from year to year. This year the line was just blown up. If you listen to the guy talk and interview he has a lot of passion and is very intense. From some of my oline buddies they do say he may not be the best coach but he is a in your face motivator type guy.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
44538 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:20 pm to
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From some of my oline buddies they do say he may not be the best coach


what would make him better?
Posted by Boudreaux in SF
silicon valley
Member since May 2005
530 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

Dana Holgerson


Everybody seems to love him, but no one seems to know how to spell his name correctly, Holgorsen.
Posted by Paluka
One State Over
Member since Dec 2010
10763 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:22 pm to
LINK

"During Miles' three previous seasons at Oklahoma State, the Cowboy offense produced near-record-setting numbers. The 1996 team had 4,295 total yards, an average of 390.5 per game. Those totals were the fourth-best in the history of OSU football. Two of the three years under Miles, the Cowboy offense had more than 4,000 total yards.

The 1997 Cowboy offense scored 332 points, the third-most in OSU history, and the Cowboys averaged 22.5 points per game in 1995, 22.0 in 1996 and 27.6 in 1997."

Gundy was his OC at OSU. This is what drives me insane. The offense at OSU would let it fly when Miles was there!
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68360 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:23 pm to
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Believe what you want.


Ok why dont you tell me what happened so i can form a more informed opinion on the situation.

They guy got canned from marlyand. He ran the same read option shite and again the acc freshmen of the year ends up on the bench.

Oregon fans rejoiced when he left there, but let me guess their o was better with crowton.

LSU hasnt done any crazy substituion packages since crowton has left. We havent seen the clock it situation since he left, we havent seen the constant delay of game penalties since he left, havent seen the constant confused look by the qbs since he left, havent seen the utenn debacle since he left. We have seen our qbs improve since he left, our running game, our oline play and the offense over all minus the wrs have improved since he left.
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