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re: What do the Miles supporters believe it will take to actually develop a legit QB
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:10 pm to AlxTgr
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:10 pm to AlxTgr
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JJ wasn't the problem
Of course he was.
No he wasn't. He was a limited talent QB asked to do too much.
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He (like Lee) was a limited talent that was put in bad situations.
Lee did fine until the concussion/break up. You guys have terrible/selective memories.
Like JJ, Lee was at best a situational QB. He seemed to get worse as his first year progressed and there was no sign of improvement.
He became serviceable, like JJ vs average or less than average defenses. Neither could ever read a defense worth a damn after 4 years in the program.
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:12 pm to afatgreekcat
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Yes he was. JJ... I can't even find the words. I want to call him the worst player in our history but that is obviously not true. Maybe close.
The coach who played JJ ahead of Lee was the problem. Both were situational QB's.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Both were situational QB's
So we played JJ in the situation in which we wanted to lose?
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:21 pm to coolmonk
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When players consistently don't execute, whether you want to blame the o-line, the coordinators or whomever, it still falls back on the head coach.
maybe to the simplistic who only focus on losses.
the injuries and defections that decimated a very good oline and the mindless actions of key players who thought that getting high was more important than the responsibility they had to the program were obviously Les Mile's fault. these are not excuses butthead...they are facts and those very facts, which you and the other twats so conveniently ignore, are the very reason why Mett didn't progress as we all had hoped. another fact that douchebags like you refuse to comtemplate is that the state of Louisiana is seemingly incapable of producing top tier QB talent and when it does that talent makes the same bullshite, self destructive choices that some of our other top talents tend to. relying on oos QB talent is risky business and we've recently been burned by kids from Texas and Indiana but I'm sure to you that is Les Miles' fault. Les Miles, like all coaches has made mistakes, but IMO never let his kids down. I really wish the same could be said for some very talented kids from Louisiana who basically quit on the team, themselves and a staff that puts everything it has into those kids.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:21 pm to afatgreekcat
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So we played JJ in the situation in which we wanted to lose?
I've said since 2009 that the LSU offense operates under a philosophy that the first down marker is actually a stop sign.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:He wasn't a problem. He was the problem.
No he wasn't. He was a limited talent QB asked to do too much.
quote:He was asked to excecute a read option offense. He could not do it. Did you watch him play?
He was a limited talent QB asked to do too much.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:34 pm to AlxTgr
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He was asked to excecute a read option offense. He could not do it. Did you watch him play?
Yes.
He received entirely too much PT, but how the hell do you blame him for that? Blame the guy that put him in the game.
He was a situational QB asked to carry the load. The problem was the guy wanting him to carry the load.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:40 pm to AlxTgr
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He was asked to excecute a read option offense.
which in hindsight was probably a bad move, at least initially. when he was asked to be more of a passer in 09 (and an occasional runner), he wasn't great, but he was serviceable. a serviceable passing game + our running game should've been enough to get us where we wanted to go.
but it seemed like the more they had him run, the worse he passed (see pretty much everything after the UNC game in 2010). and then for some reason the coaches stuck with him.
at any rate, I ultimately place the blame on Les. like the other guy said, Jordan should've only been used situationally once he started regressing. he had some value, but not as the fulltime QB.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:40 pm to nf
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The offense put up a ton of yards, but only 17 points. Being unable to get the ball into the end zone is a chronic offensive problem
Meh, it wasnt last year. Yes defense helped out with short field, but at least with JJ and lee we were better in the redzone last year. IMO both these guys improved over the course of their career. just only minimal. Ad the biggest thing they both improved on was ball security. Even though they both had their ups and owns vs bama. Who was slated as one of the best defenses ever.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I did! Ask trout.
Blame the guy that put him in the game.
quote:Dude, does typing that make you feel good or something?
He was a situational QB
quote:Meh, the problem(s) were/was a concussion, chick leaving and 21 days of classes missed.
The problem was the guy wanting him to carry the load.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:46 pm to nf
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nyway, the defense certainly had problems defending the pass at the end of the year, but that isn't a chronic problem. We haven't had abysmal pass defense for 5 straight years. I expect it to be corrected because our defensive problems generally get corrected quickly. It it's a problem again next year, then I will worry
No but they have a pension for giving up some big plays that cost us in 09 10 and 12.
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I'm willing to overlook a few bad defensive games at the end of the year, but not 5 years of mostly really poor offensive performance.
But it hasnt been mostly. in fact the running game has been quite good and one of the best in the country. Its not the entire offense. But our rushing stats dropped this year and thats a direct result of throwing the ball more.
Pass the ball more, get off the field quicker, defense playing a lot more. Something will always have to give.
Also i say this again, 2002 was worse than 09 and 10 in offensive production. 04 was worse than 2010. you have 2 diff ocs two diff hcs and the same problem. poor Qb play.
This isnt only a Les Miles problem.
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:50 pm to HoustonTigah
I think after 08 and JLEE pickfest it scarred MILES, and has caused him to become an offensive recluse. He doesnt trust his QB.
The truth is we will keep getting great defensive players, OL, RB but LSU will contiue to miss out on the BEST QB amd WR.
The truth is we will keep getting great defensive players, OL, RB but LSU will contiue to miss out on the BEST QB amd WR.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:52 pm to Tiger79
oh he trusts Mett. he's told you that time and again, and it's shown in how the games have been called.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:53 pm to coolmonk
not a doom and gloom or sunshine pumper, but LSU's offensive line has to get better, before the qb will.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:56 pm to AlxTgr
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He was a situational QB
Dude, does typing that make you feel good or something?
It wouldn't have to be repeated if the fallacies it addresses weren't. Hard to blame a guy for being asked to do more than he is capable.
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The problem was the guy wanting him to carry the load.
Meh, the problem(s) were/was a concussion, chick leaving and 21 days of classes missed.
The problem was the misuse of personnel. JJ wasn't and never should have been the guy.
People saying he was the problem is about is wrong as blaming Gen. Longstreet or Pickett for Gettysburg.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:58 pm to dgnx6
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No but they have a pension for giving up some big plays that cost us in 09 10 and 12.
Every defense is going to give up big plays, sometimes, they were just glaring due to the time, but that's largely selection bias. This year LSU was 10th in number of plays given up greater than 10 yards. Last year they were 22. IN 2010 they were 10th again. Those are good numbers. The defense isn't giving up a ton of yardage per play. They are doing a really good job, on average.
And the rushing offense hasn't exactly been spectacular either. Last year we were 22nd, which is certainly good, but that's the best we've been since 2007. We also didn't really rush less. We were at about 40 att/g which is only 1 attempt a game off of the mark from last year and higher than some other years in the past 5 years. In yards/attempt we were 67th.
We are a power rushing team that is mediocre at rushing and downright poor at passing. Poor QB play is certainly a problem, but why do we consistently have poor QB play? It's either bad recruiting, bad development, or a paint-by-numbers offensive scheme that makes it nearly impossible for a QB to succeed because the defense is always one step ahead.
I personally think it's a mix of all three.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 6:00 pm to dgnx6
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33 first downs by the opponent this year were from penalties, compared to 21 last year. Thats on the defense and thats the diff between extending bamas scoring drive and extending clemsons scoring drive. but we are going to go a head and blame miles for that since thats what we do when anything goes wrong. We just wont give him credit when anything goes rt
We give him credit for good plays, we blame him for bad ones. What would you like us to do. Turn a blind eye to the game and never criticise him. Where's the fun in that!
Posted on 1/8/13 at 6:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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t wouldn't have to be repeated if the fallacies it addresses weren't. Hard to blame a guy for being asked to do more than he is capable.
I really hated the people that constantly bashed jordan. what was he gonna say, no coach im not going to play? What person in their right mind would say that?
Posted on 1/8/13 at 6:03 pm to dgnx6
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This isnt only a Les Miles problem.
Since he is the only one who can fix it, I would say so.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 6:07 pm to coolmonk
Work out a player exchange program with UGA. find out how they always get top notch QBs but can't ever do shite with them.
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