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What cheers me up in dark times - looking ahead, defense 2012 vs 2013
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:31 pm
I am a lost fan right now. Between the Honeybadger moving on, now Sonic Sam leaving, I feel like I need to look over the new Tigers and see which players I can root for. I want help with that if anyone has time to chime in with a good story about any of the up and coming guys on the depth chart. But first, to the comparison. I've seen plenty of mock depth charts here, and plenty of people spouting off that next year will be disasterous or good, but with no real reasons. So I say let's look at this, position by position, and break it down.
RDE - 2012 Sam vs 2013 J. Rasco
Advantage 2012, both as a playmaker and a team guy, Sam is clearly better.
LDE - 2012 Mingo vs 2013 Hunter/Maclin
Adv. 2012, Mingo seemed to disappear at times, but I'm going to trust the NFL on this one and say a big loss.
DT1 - 2012 B. Logan vs 2013 Ego
Adv. 2012, I liked what I saw from Ego in limited play, just not nearly as much as I like what I saw from Logan in constant play, lol.
DT2 - 2012 Freak vs 2013 Freak +1yr
Adv 2013, Finally! a bright spot. Freak a year more experienced, stronger, faster, smarter. Can't wait.
Sam - 2012 Kwon A. vs 2013 Kwon A. +1yr
Adv. 2013, Kwon is going to make a big jump this year, hell, he was very good last year.
Mike - 2012 Kevin Minter vs 2013 Barrow +1 yr
Adv 2012, wasn't sure who will get moved inside, but I think Barrow has the build to do it, so let's call it a hunch. It will be a moderate dropoff with him here, not b/c Minter is so easily replaceable, but b/c the Chief is ridiculous.
Will - 2012 Barrow vs 2013 Tahj Jones
Draw, although he haven't seen much from Jones yet, we know he was our guy last year, and that he is a year older, although he doesn't have the experience to go with it.
LCB - 2012 Simon vs 2013 Jalen Collins
Adv. 2012, no question about it, Simon played well this year, and we're replacing him with the 3rd guy in. I expect very good things from Collins, but not in his first year starting.
RCB - 2012 Jalen Mills vs 2013 J. Mills+1yr
Adv 2013, Mills is going to be rock solid. This year is going to prove that.
SS - 2012 Craig Loston vs 2013 Craig Loston +1yr
Adv 2013, I would not want to be hit by last year's Loston, but I would want to catch a pass in front of this upcoming year's Loston even less.
FS - 2012 Eric Reid vs 2013 R. Martin
Adv 2012, Eric Reid had a mediocre year, but Martin has limited experience. Martin is going to be remembered in the same long line of great safeties we've had the privilege of watching suit of for the Tigers, but to think there won't be a dropoff this year is crazy.
Not listed - Frank Herron - DE ; Tre'Davious White DB ; Kendell Beckwith DE/LB?
So looking over what we had and have, to me, it looks like the D-Line will be down from the last two years. But considering just how good they have been over that time, going from a top 3 line to a top 10 line isn't something to complain about. Especially when you consider the guys we have this year coming in, and the ones we may yet sign before signing day. I see Freak as the only guy possibly skipping his last year, and if that's true, we are in for another great stretch of DLine play.
For LBs, it's tough to say. I will err on the side of caution and say it's even. We return a LOT of depth here, and I think the starters we return make up for the loss of Minter. When's the last time you could say the guys on the defense you're the most pumped up to see play are the LBs? With DeBo, Kwon, Beckwith if he goes LB and the rest, this is going to be a fun group to watch knock the shite out of everyone.
Secondary is concerning. I thought Simon would stay, and that all would be right in the world, but again we are forced to start a CB with very little experience, as we did this year. Not that I don't like our guys on the outside, the two Jalens will be household names. I just like having that cushion for injury's sake. Up top we've got Loston coming back, thank God, and Ronald Martin filling in where Reid was. I really don't feel like there will be a drop off here. I think Martin is a guy who could have been a CB, and could fill in there if the personel called for it. And Loston played well this year, and is a 5th year guy back there, so as long as they can keep the old man's knees from locking up, I think they will play as well as Reid/Loston did this past year.
RDE - 2012 Sam vs 2013 J. Rasco
Advantage 2012, both as a playmaker and a team guy, Sam is clearly better.
LDE - 2012 Mingo vs 2013 Hunter/Maclin
Adv. 2012, Mingo seemed to disappear at times, but I'm going to trust the NFL on this one and say a big loss.
DT1 - 2012 B. Logan vs 2013 Ego
Adv. 2012, I liked what I saw from Ego in limited play, just not nearly as much as I like what I saw from Logan in constant play, lol.
DT2 - 2012 Freak vs 2013 Freak +1yr
Adv 2013, Finally! a bright spot. Freak a year more experienced, stronger, faster, smarter. Can't wait.
Sam - 2012 Kwon A. vs 2013 Kwon A. +1yr
Adv. 2013, Kwon is going to make a big jump this year, hell, he was very good last year.
Mike - 2012 Kevin Minter vs 2013 Barrow +1 yr
Adv 2012, wasn't sure who will get moved inside, but I think Barrow has the build to do it, so let's call it a hunch. It will be a moderate dropoff with him here, not b/c Minter is so easily replaceable, but b/c the Chief is ridiculous.
Will - 2012 Barrow vs 2013 Tahj Jones
Draw, although he haven't seen much from Jones yet, we know he was our guy last year, and that he is a year older, although he doesn't have the experience to go with it.
LCB - 2012 Simon vs 2013 Jalen Collins
Adv. 2012, no question about it, Simon played well this year, and we're replacing him with the 3rd guy in. I expect very good things from Collins, but not in his first year starting.
RCB - 2012 Jalen Mills vs 2013 J. Mills+1yr
Adv 2013, Mills is going to be rock solid. This year is going to prove that.
SS - 2012 Craig Loston vs 2013 Craig Loston +1yr
Adv 2013, I would not want to be hit by last year's Loston, but I would want to catch a pass in front of this upcoming year's Loston even less.
FS - 2012 Eric Reid vs 2013 R. Martin
Adv 2012, Eric Reid had a mediocre year, but Martin has limited experience. Martin is going to be remembered in the same long line of great safeties we've had the privilege of watching suit of for the Tigers, but to think there won't be a dropoff this year is crazy.
Not listed - Frank Herron - DE ; Tre'Davious White DB ; Kendell Beckwith DE/LB?
So looking over what we had and have, to me, it looks like the D-Line will be down from the last two years. But considering just how good they have been over that time, going from a top 3 line to a top 10 line isn't something to complain about. Especially when you consider the guys we have this year coming in, and the ones we may yet sign before signing day. I see Freak as the only guy possibly skipping his last year, and if that's true, we are in for another great stretch of DLine play.
For LBs, it's tough to say. I will err on the side of caution and say it's even. We return a LOT of depth here, and I think the starters we return make up for the loss of Minter. When's the last time you could say the guys on the defense you're the most pumped up to see play are the LBs? With DeBo, Kwon, Beckwith if he goes LB and the rest, this is going to be a fun group to watch knock the shite out of everyone.
Secondary is concerning. I thought Simon would stay, and that all would be right in the world, but again we are forced to start a CB with very little experience, as we did this year. Not that I don't like our guys on the outside, the two Jalens will be household names. I just like having that cushion for injury's sake. Up top we've got Loston coming back, thank God, and Ronald Martin filling in where Reid was. I really don't feel like there will be a drop off here. I think Martin is a guy who could have been a CB, and could fill in there if the personel called for it. And Loston played well this year, and is a 5th year guy back there, so as long as they can keep the old man's knees from locking up, I think they will play as well as Reid/Loston did this past year.
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:34 pm to bojabu
we'll have to see how the rest of the recruiting class pans out too.. we're still in the mix for some guys who could really make an impact
and Freak is going to dominate next year.
and Freak is going to dominate next year.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:37 pm to baytiger
I agree about Freak. My favorite plays are the ones where he almost gets the handoff from the QB then blows up the RB immediately. When he gets the snap count right, it's ridiculous.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:39 pm to baytiger
We are going to get hurt on the outside. I am very much concerned about next years defense looking alot like the 08 defense.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:45 pm to TigerFanNKaty
Simon was abused all year. I am not worried about that. Our CBs should be better as a whole with another year of experience. Look out for true freshman White to make an entrance.
Kwon, Debo, Barrow, Jones will make a nasty LB core. Best we've had in years. Had Minter stayed I'd say best ever at LSU.
Reid really was mediocre this year. I think he is a combine warrior but was out of position several times this year. I could see Corey Thompson playing as well as Martin. Both will be good players and the drop off shouldn't be huge it at all.
Sam is a bigger loss than Mingo. Mingo will be better in a 3-4. Hunter will be much like Sam IMO, but the locker room presence was huge. DL should get hit the worst, but I think a couple of these freshmen will be very, very good.
Kwon, Debo, Barrow, Jones will make a nasty LB core. Best we've had in years. Had Minter stayed I'd say best ever at LSU.
Reid really was mediocre this year. I think he is a combine warrior but was out of position several times this year. I could see Corey Thompson playing as well as Martin. Both will be good players and the drop off shouldn't be huge it at all.
Sam is a bigger loss than Mingo. Mingo will be better in a 3-4. Hunter will be much like Sam IMO, but the locker room presence was huge. DL should get hit the worst, but I think a couple of these freshmen will be very, very good.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:46 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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We are going to get hurt on the outside. I am very much concerned about next years defense looking alot like the 08 defense.
LOLOL
Mallveto will never return. We have Chavis now. We will always be a top 4 defense in the SEC under Chavis.
ETA:
Assuming UGA, UF, and Bama are always up there with their current coaching staffs.
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:47 pm to bojabu
Good write up but I think you're wrong on all three levels.
Line
We will be significantly weaker on the line mainly because of the tackle depth. I think Mingo won't be a huge loss because he was only moderately effective playing out of position.
LBs
We'll be far stronger in 2013. We were good at the end of 2012, but we were very weak at times due to inexperience. 2013 LBs will be friggin loaded and deep. No doubt we'll be a little weaker at MLB, but we'll have several great athletes competing there.
DBs
I'm not the least bit concerned. Tiger fans don't yet appreciate how good Mills is. He was our best DB this year and one of the top corners in the country. He'll be even better next year. Likewise Collins is under appreciated. He had a great year. He's an aggressive, talented corner. Simon was better than most realize, but Mills/Collins/White of 2013 will be better than Mills/Collins/Simon of 2012 mainly because of improvement of JM and JC. The safeties will be considerably better in 2013 because Reid was rendered less effective due to injury. Loston will be a year better and Martin and Eugene will be better than an injured Reid.
Line
We will be significantly weaker on the line mainly because of the tackle depth. I think Mingo won't be a huge loss because he was only moderately effective playing out of position.
LBs
We'll be far stronger in 2013. We were good at the end of 2012, but we were very weak at times due to inexperience. 2013 LBs will be friggin loaded and deep. No doubt we'll be a little weaker at MLB, but we'll have several great athletes competing there.
DBs
I'm not the least bit concerned. Tiger fans don't yet appreciate how good Mills is. He was our best DB this year and one of the top corners in the country. He'll be even better next year. Likewise Collins is under appreciated. He had a great year. He's an aggressive, talented corner. Simon was better than most realize, but Mills/Collins/White of 2013 will be better than Mills/Collins/Simon of 2012 mainly because of improvement of JM and JC. The safeties will be considerably better in 2013 because Reid was rendered less effective due to injury. Loston will be a year better and Martin and Eugene will be better than an injured Reid.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:48 pm to bojabu
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I am a lost fan right now.
we all are...kinda. '12 was your classic woulda', coulda' and shoulda' year that coming out of spring showed great promise. problem is, we had just too damn much 'shite happens' happen and we struggled to get 10 wins (how telling is that?).
yeah, we're losing alot but we are also gaining alot and with what is in place we will still be in the mix. the key, which you ignored, will always be oline play. did any of you understand why bama dominated the domer pukes? if we rebound on the oline, IMO...the sky is the limit. let it begin.
get better.This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:48 pm to bojabu
I don't agree with everything you said but overall I share what seems to be your optimism for next year's D. They will be young and lack experience in spots but be fun to watch imho.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:49 pm to Penrod
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Penrod
We agree on everything lol
I forgot about Eugene. Thompson just gets me excited because he is such a physical specimen and in that regard reminds me of PP.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 2:06 pm to TheCaterpillar
Maybe not, but the line will take a hit. That means more pressure on the secondary and more completions and yards. Think about if our defense becomes 20 to 30 ranked and what that does to the overall record with the offense Les and company field.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 2:08 pm to bojabu
Good work. The only thing I may disagree with is Simon. I thought he was a liablity this year and I am glad that someone else will be stepping in. He looked like Danny Mcray out there this year. Thats not a good thing.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 2:13 pm to Penrod
Pen, I tried to stay away from depth concerns (you mentioned the dline) because it's hard enough to say who'll actually be starting, vs. who is #2. If you would have told me the Honeybadger wasn't going to be starting this past year, I'da called you a F'ing moron, but that's the way things go sometimes.
LBs, I touched on increased depth, and on that we agree there. To say far stronger than last year is a stretch with the loss of an all-american, but I mean, if we are lucky in the injury department (I shudder to think back to FL), yeah, we could see something really special.
LBs, I touched on increased depth, and on that we agree there. To say far stronger than last year is a stretch with the loss of an all-american, but I mean, if we are lucky in the injury department (I shudder to think back to FL), yeah, we could see something really special.
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