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re: Fallacy: Miles philosophy of keeping games close
Posted on 1/7/13 at 12:26 am to LSU Groupee
Posted on 1/7/13 at 12:26 am to LSU Groupee
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Lee would have have been destroyed by both Georgia and Alabama as he was everytime he faced Alabama. Anyone wanting to throw him under the Alabama bus is no friend of LSU or Lee.
You state this as fact, but its obviously an opinion, and one I don't agree with.
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What does this have to do with Miles? This has to do with your thinking Lee should have played against Alabama when he had clearly showed he played scared against them.
Again that's your opinion. Even if true, theres no way that past performance can entirely predict future events. Just because Shaq sucks at free throws, doesn't mean he can't make two at the end of the game to ice it. In your Lee situation, his late drive to beat Florida in 2010 suggests that he isn't a hopeless choke artist as you suggest.
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If you cant admit Lee was in way over his head against top defenses, then you clearly have your head buried in the sand.
I very much disagree with this. You're just as dense as Miles. If you are trying to achieve some goal that's very difficult and how you're going about obtaining said goal isn't working, do you give up on that goal, or do you change your behavior to see how that affects the results? If you aren't adaptable to changing dynamics in a situation, you're either incredibly stubborn or an idiot, Miles may be both.
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You are hung up on Miles. Not everything is about him. You might be showing you can't be unbaised.
Pot, meet kettle.
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Posted on 1/7/13 at 12:47 am to Mayhawman
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4 times in the 8 years under Miles, LSU has been top 10 FBS in avg Margin of Victory vs FBS teams, and LSU is also ranked FBS top ten MoV during the BCS era.
Factual posts. Read 'em and weep, haters.
You should quote this stat to any of the college football pundits who know what a joke our offense is and have them not laugh in your face when you tell them this seriously as proof as to why our offense isn't terrible.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 1:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
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After 4 years in a program and no improvement you don't get the hint???
You are so eager to crap on Miles that you are just throwing shite out.
You would have to be blind not to see improvement in both JJ and JL. Combined in 2010 they had they had 9 TDs, 11 ints, and a rating of 116. Combined in 2011 they had 20 TDs, 5 ints, and a rating of 145.
Think before you throw out dumb shite next time.
Their problem was even with the improvement they both has serious QB limitations that had little to do with coaching and a lot to do with player ability. At sometime the player has to take ownership of his own failings
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If you did, you would also be wanting him to get some offensive coaching help.
What I want doesn't matter. When you learn that what you want doesn't matter either you might relax and not get your panties in a wad over what you think Miles needs to do. He knows better than you or you would be coaching and he would be here with nothing better to do than think he knows something you dont
Posted on 1/7/13 at 1:30 am to LSU Groupee
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You would have to be blind not to see improvement in both JJ and JL. Combined in 2010 they had they had 9 TDs, 11 ints, and a rating of 116. Combined in 2011 they had 20 TDs, 5 ints, and a rating of 145.
I don't have the stats, but I remember Jefferson playing GA Tech his Freshman year in the Peach Bowl. I was very impressed. I could be remembering it overly-fondly because it was a fun night out with friends celebrating after the GA Tech thrashing, but I don't think I was ever overly-impressed with JJ again after that game. He played great at Texas A&M last year, but previous performances kept me from being overly-enthusiastic after that showing. I guess he was inconsistent at best, but I'd argue that he was no better when he left than when he arrived.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 2:18 am to JR Hamilsbach
I don't think its Miles philosophy to keep games close.
Its just that LSU doesn't have a coach on staff that can prepare an offense to perform at a level that creates seperation (point wise and field position wise).
LSU has had the benefit of great defenses with a good head coach resulting in great defensive recruits. That has not happened on the offensive side. Point out the last out of state Offensive player that was a difference maker---ware is the only one that i can think of. And while Ware was good he was not spectacular.
Its just that LSU doesn't have a coach on staff that can prepare an offense to perform at a level that creates seperation (point wise and field position wise).
LSU has had the benefit of great defenses with a good head coach resulting in great defensive recruits. That has not happened on the offensive side. Point out the last out of state Offensive player that was a difference maker---ware is the only one that i can think of. And while Ware was good he was not spectacular.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 2:44 am to Mayhawman
SOS different poster. We shall see what you think at the end of 2013
Posted on 1/7/13 at 8:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I stand corrected, it was Pass Yards stats, not Total O Yards.
Offense? You better check again. Auburn was ranked 7th in 2010, Alabama 31st last year.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 9:07 am to Mayhawman
Upon further review, Miles' best seasons were his first three years. Over the last 5 years his margin has been terrible. Taking out 2011 and adding 2012 and Miles has been bottom of the barrell for good programs since 2008. The website linked in the OP actually helped me verify the very thing he is trying to disprove.
This post was edited on 1/7/13 at 9:08 am
Posted on 1/7/13 at 9:19 am to theunknownknight
quote:Imagine that. If you take away all the good seasons during a coaches career, all they're left with is suckage.
Taking out 2011 and adding 2012 and Miles has been bottom of the barrell for good programs since 2008.
Brilliant deduction.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 9:21 am to Mayhawman
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Imagine that. If you take away all the good seasons during a coaches career, all they're left with is suckage.
you just did the same.exact.thing...except in reverse
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Brilliant deduction
I guess you probably feel stupid right now
Posted on 1/7/13 at 9:59 am to theunknownknight
I'm not doing anything but quoting actual stats from a webpage that shows 4 of 8 seasons LSU was top ten in MoV, discrediting one of negga's fav platforms for bashing the staff.
Now maybe you can disprove that or backup this fallacy somehow?
Now maybe you can disprove that or backup this fallacy somehow?
Posted on 1/7/13 at 10:21 am to Mayhawman
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I'm not doing anything but quoting actual stats from a webpage that shows 4 of 8 seasons LSU was top ten in MoV, discrediting one of negga's fav platforms for bashing the staff. Now maybe you can disprove that or backup this fallacy somehow?
I kinda did. We sucked at MoV in 4 out of Miles 8 seasons...which proves the exact opposite of your assertion. The difference: 4 of the bad seasons came in the last 5 years.
1 of Miles' 4 good seasons came in the last 5 years.
Which stance carries more weight NOW?
I rest my case. This thread went the wrong direction for you. Sorry.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 10:25 am to Mayhawman
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Mayhawman
Delusional.
Bama is about to win their 3rd title in 4 years.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 10:26 am to theunknownknight
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Taking out 2011 and adding 2012 and Miles has been bottom of the barrell for good programs since 2008
Posted on 1/7/13 at 10:31 am to Choctaw
Miles has a philosophy of not beating yourself
As do most coaches
As do most coaches
Posted on 1/7/13 at 10:32 am to ATLTiger
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if he wasn't trying to keep games close, why not review this?
You aren't serious.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 10:49 am to supatigah
quote:And so we saw how ineffective that philosophy is in this year's Alabama game and in the game versus Clemson - as compared against last year's games versus Oregon and WVU, where LSU went all-out to win. Notice a qualitative difference?
Miles has a philosophy of not beating yourself
quote:Really? Then maybe some are not quite so obviously predictable at it than others. Also "most" coaches are not coaching at LSU.
As do most coaches
This post was edited on 1/7/13 at 10:51 am
Posted on 1/7/13 at 10:50 am to JR Hamilsbach
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I don't have the stats, but I remember Jefferson playing GA Tech his Freshman year in the Peach Bowl. I was very impressed. I could be remembering it overly-fondly because it was a fun night out with friends celebrating after the GA Tech thrashing, but I don't think I was ever overly-impressed with JJ again after that game.
If you recalled his performance in the second half of that game your excitement would have greatly abated, he had a poor second half throwing the ball. Sign of things to come.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 10:52 am to LSU Groupee
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You would have to be blind not to see improvement in both JJ and JL.
I sincerely hope this is not a serious statement.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 11:06 am to theunknownknight
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4 of the bad seasons came in the last 5 years.
1 of Miles' 4 good seasons came in the last 5 years.
and hence we have the current trend.
Things will continue to deteriorate....
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