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re: Official Downton Abbey Season 3 Discussion
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:37 am to otowntiger
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:37 am to otowntiger
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I think they should have entertained replacing the actor and retaining the character if possible.
No, that never works
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Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:48 am to yurintroubl
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Dowager is going to have to work harder to keep things light.
Good luck with that. I get it. The writers want to create this theme of life goes on as the survivors overcome adversity/tragedy while tradition fades in a modern, evolving world. Basically they want to show how conservative tradition has: stifled women's rights/development, held back acceptance of homosexuality and made it difficult for unhappy married couples to get out of relationships, etc. Meanwhile the one harmonious marriage/relationship between Mary and Matthew they contrive as syrupy sweet and then kill off Matthew.
As such here is the direction I would take the show: Matthew recovers from the auto accident, Tom eventually finds a good woman and remarries, Edith finally finds a good man and true love, Thomas dies from AIDS, the flirty old guy at the fair gets his dick cut off, the aunt and uncle in Scotland learn to love each other, Robert goes to tech school and learns abbey management, Rose gets STDs from fricking around, Downton Abbey is recognized nationally in England as a model for traditional transition into a modern world.
This post was edited on 2/18/13 at 11:56 am
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:52 am to davesdawgs
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As such here is the direction I would take the show: Matthew recovers from the auto accident, Tom eventually finds a good woman and remarries, Edith finally finds a good man and true love, Thomas dies from AIDS, the flirty old guy at the fair gets his dick cut off, the aunt and uncle in Scotland learn to love each other, Robert goes to tech school and learns abbey management, Rose gets STDs from fricking around, Downton Abbey is recognized nationally in England as a model for traditional transition into a modern world.
If that's season 4 - Count me in!
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:54 am to davesdawgs
I'm finding a soft spot for Thomas though. I can't believe it myself.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:57 am to brbengalgal
Can we add "Anna finds some makeup" to the list of plots. She looks WAY better IRL than on the show... Like proportionally better than anybody else.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:57 am to yurintroubl
Re replacing actors: Supposedly when Dallas was super-popular and Larry Hagman was holding out for more money, there was a plan in place to have JR in a car wreck that forced him to undergo plastic surgery. When the bandages came off we would see another actor (Robert Culp).
I'm not sure, but I think this may actually have been done on some daytime soaps over the years.
I'm not sure, but I think this may actually have been done on some daytime soaps over the years.
This post was edited on 2/18/13 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:58 am to brbengalgal
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I'm finding a soft spot for Thomas though. I can't believe it myself.
By design. It's common roller coaster character development for characters to overcome character flaws; you hate them and then they redeem themselves.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:59 am to yurintroubl
She is very pretty--did you see the link I posted? A few surprises were O'Brien and Ms. Hughes.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:00 pm to Kafka
I was more a Dynasty fan than a Dallas one... So I can tell you that Fallon was played by somebody else before she returned from a disappearance with an Aussie accent and played by Emma Samms.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:01 pm to yurintroubl
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Can we add "Anna finds some makeup" to the list of plots. She looks WAY better IRL than on the show... Like proportionally better than anybody else.
Yea, I like it. Anna goes to beautician school, becomes smokin' hot and does the hairstyles and makeup for all the Abbey ladies.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:08 pm to Kafka
Daytime soaps change actors all the time and retain the same character. They pretty much have to unless that actor devotes his or her life to the show.
I can't decide whether it would have been better to change actors or not. I think I would have preferred if he went away for a time and then they could have had written him out in some sort of character decision, not some ridiculous car accident when he was going 20 MPH on a dirt road. For example, they could have let Robert and Matthew's fight over the Abbey escalate where Matthew leaves and refuses to come back. Building on that basic plot line would have been tremendously better than this abortion.
One more thing and I know I have been ranting the last few posts. I understand Stevens put them in a tough position. It always is if one of your characters is refusing to return. This is what makes TV shows so fragile. Imagine if Jon Hamm or Bryan Cranston did this. But they should have NEVER killed Sybil right after she had her baby if they knew they were going to kill Matthew RIGHT after Mary had his. The juxtaposition here just flat out did not work.
I can't decide whether it would have been better to change actors or not. I think I would have preferred if he went away for a time and then they could have had written him out in some sort of character decision, not some ridiculous car accident when he was going 20 MPH on a dirt road. For example, they could have let Robert and Matthew's fight over the Abbey escalate where Matthew leaves and refuses to come back. Building on that basic plot line would have been tremendously better than this abortion.
One more thing and I know I have been ranting the last few posts. I understand Stevens put them in a tough position. It always is if one of your characters is refusing to return. This is what makes TV shows so fragile. Imagine if Jon Hamm or Bryan Cranston did this. But they should have NEVER killed Sybil right after she had her baby if they knew they were going to kill Matthew RIGHT after Mary had his. The juxtaposition here just flat out did not work.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:11 pm to brbengalgal
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She is very pretty--did you see the link I posted?
Yeah... but I had looked her up way before that.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:17 pm to yurintroubl
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I was more a Dynasty fan than a Dallas one... So I can tell you that Fallon was played by somebody else before she returned from a disappearance with an Aussie accent and played by Emma Samms.
Didn't one of the other kids come back looking as someone else after an accident too?
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:24 pm to TigerCub
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Didn't one of the other kids come back looking as someone else after an accident too?
I think John James was the replacement actor for Jeff Colby, Fallon's original love interest (when she was played by Pamela Sue Martin).
Posted on 2/18/13 at 1:19 pm to yurintroubl
Anybody else happy that they showed the car crash off-screen? I'm a classic car freak and even in movies or television the thought of crashing even an old classic makes my heart go flat.
ETA: They should have a disclaimer saying no classic cars were injured or harmed during filming.
ETA: They should have a disclaimer saying no classic cars were injured or harmed during filming.
This post was edited on 2/18/13 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 2/18/13 at 1:33 pm to DallasTiger11
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I think I would have preferred if he went away for a time and then they could have had written him out in some sort of character decision, not some ridiculous car accident when he was going 20 MPH on a dirt road
i agree that they shouldve sent him off for business or some shite so he could still have the option of coming back, but i didnt find the car crash unbelievable at all
it looked like the vehicles didnt hit each other at all
he was distracted while driving, saw the truck too late, yanked the wheel to the right, the car flipped, landed on him, he dead
i've heard people say it was unrealistic but i dont see that at all
now, i will say this and you people may disagree with me
but the last few episodes i was growing very weary of how fricking cheesy matthew was acting with mary. I love my wife and all, but the shite coming out of his mouth was such terrible writing that i think i was ready for him to go away for a while
i didnt think it would be forever, but oh well
ideally, he wouldve been called to india because one of the other "heirs" may have popped back up and he wouldve had to spend a lot of time there.
He wouldve cleared up the heir situation in that the person india was an impostor and the money was indeed matthew's, and then if the actor decided no matter what he wasnt coming back, matthew dies of some disease or elephant stomping in india, if the actor decides "you know what, i made a stupid decision," he comes back for season 5.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 1:48 pm to BigAppleTiger
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Anybody else happy that they showed the car crash off-screen? I'm a classic car freak and even in movies or television the thought of crashing even an old classic makes my heart go flat.
ETA: They should have a disclaimer saying no classic cars were injured or harmed during filming
I doubt if they had anywhere near the budget to destroy an old car
Posted on 2/18/13 at 2:12 pm to DallasTiger11
Why not just have Matthew mysteriously disappear and write it in later? Have him write letters to Marry or Robert explaining his distant situation? Do a storyline about anything/ something but don't kill his character. The fans would have held Stevens in higher regard and it would have possibly allowed for a dramatic return a few seasons down the line if Stevens decided to return?
Posted on 2/18/13 at 2:12 pm to Kafka
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I doubt if they had anywhere near the budget to destroy an old car
I highly doubt it as well thus the reason for showing it offscreen, but as I watched Matthew laying there with dead, open, eyes...my first thought was "I hope the car is okay".
Posted on 2/18/13 at 2:19 pm to BigAppleTiger
Those cars were made of stone, all you have to do is get a couple of buddies to push it back over and you good to roll
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