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re: Would Johnny F'in Fotball be a QB on LSU?
Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:01 am to Da #1 Stunna
Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:01 am to Da #1 Stunna
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Its a team game. Which guy accomplished the most with his team? Who had the better results?
I want you to post right now that last year, AJ Mcarron was a better quarterback than Andrew Luck. You should have absolutely no problem doing thus based on the above quote.
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Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:03 am to Da #1 Stunna
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To the other guys mentioned, Brady, Manning, Brees, hell you can even throw Joe Montana on that list - yeah they didn't accomplish a championship in college, in comparison the true measure of greatness by NFL standards is jewelry. Dan Marino great QB, but without the jewelry, he is a step below all the others mentioned even though he statistically is better that several of the ones previously mentioned.
Also, I want you to actually post right now that Trent Dilfer was a better NFL QB than Dan Marino.
Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:05 am to SlowFlowPro
we'd find some way to mess it up.. you know it 
Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:07 am to Open Your Eyes
The SEC Championship arguement is a joke guys. Please.
You are just automatically assuming we would have lost that game.
I remember that game fondly. Miles will ultra conservative. Scared to death that Perrilloux was going to do something stupid to blow the game. I don't think we threw a ball past 10 yards all game. We played Tennessee completely handcuffed against the worst gameday coach ever - Phil Fulmer. We won because we had a stud team that year with a steady QB that didn't cost the team.
Flynn is a better version of Matt Mauck. Limited negative plays, competent thrower with a good arm, great leader, and a good athlete.
You are just automatically assuming we would have lost that game.
I remember that game fondly. Miles will ultra conservative. Scared to death that Perrilloux was going to do something stupid to blow the game. I don't think we threw a ball past 10 yards all game. We played Tennessee completely handcuffed against the worst gameday coach ever - Phil Fulmer. We won because we had a stud team that year with a steady QB that didn't cost the team.
Flynn is a better version of Matt Mauck. Limited negative plays, competent thrower with a good arm, great leader, and a good athlete.
Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:10 am to Open Your Eyes
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Russell threw 6 more tds in 2006 than Flynn did in 2007
Running up the score.
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So now your argument is Flynn was the better QB because the team 2007 scored more rushing, defensive and special teams tds than the 2006 team?
Better b/c the team was better with him despite a lesser group of wideouts. For example, Flynn had zero TDs in the VT blowout. Statistically that hurts him in comparison to JR, but obviously it shouldn't be a negative in Flynns column.
Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:14 am to Open Your Eyes
Dude, please. I am not posting any of that bullshite. I am not bringing Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson or any other stiff into this. Stop jumping to ridiculous conclusions. I am saying that statistics are for losers. Its about results.
The NFL argument has to do with guys that are actually relevant to the conversation of great players - Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson have never had the words great associated with their careers. I am saying that jewelry in the NFL legitimizes greatness in the NFL if you have stats to back you up to be in the great category.
I digress - JFF would be a slot receiver or a CB/S at LSU if he had come here.
The NFL argument has to do with guys that are actually relevant to the conversation of great players - Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson have never had the words great associated with their careers. I am saying that jewelry in the NFL legitimizes greatness in the NFL if you have stats to back you up to be in the great category.
I digress - JFF would be a slot receiver or a CB/S at LSU if he had come here.
Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:15 am to Da #1 Stunna
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Look, I am enjoying the banter here. I realize we are not going to convince each other of our opinions
That's because your opinion is wrong, and mine is, well, not.
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But the NFL test between the 2 guys is very telling. Flynn was better for the team.
Nfl success has nothing to do with college.
What you're saying is mark Sanchez at USC was better than Tim tebow at Florida because Sanchez is starting over him. But wait, tebow has rings, Sanchez doesn't. So which is it?
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He won the ultimate prize, he was a smart kid, a straight arrow, and still has a career that is way way far from over.
What evidence do you have that Russell was not a smart kid? Or a straight arrow, whatever that means?
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He will be a starter in the league for longer than JaMarcus Brooks was.
Well seeing as how he's never started a game this season because he was beat out by a 5'10, 4th round rookie after he was brought in and paid this year to be the starter, I'm not so sure about that.
And seeing as how Russell had 25 starts in 3 seasons while Flynn has had 2 in 5 years, I'm not so sure about that.
Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:21 am to Da #1 Stunna
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You are just automatically assuming we would have lost that game.
No, I'm factually stating that we don't even know if LSU would have won that game with Flynn, because Flynn didn't play in it. I'm also adding that Tennessee was an inferior SEC team to LSU that season, and LSu had already lost to 2 inferior SEC teams with Flynn at QB.
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Flynn is a better version of Matt Mauck. Limited negative plays, competent thrower with a good arm, great leader, and a good athlete.
Do we really have to get into the fallacies of the 'mauck didn't turn the ball over' argument?
Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:23 am to SlowFlowPro
It's like you people have completely forgotten Miles' man crush on Jordan Jefferson in one freaking season or something.
Yes. He's be QB at LSU. Question is, would he be as good at it in our system. Probably not. But with that kid, he's pretty hard to deny.
I mean if the Honey Badger had an arm, do you think Les wouldn't have played him? Get real.
Yes. He's be QB at LSU. Question is, would he be as good at it in our system. Probably not. But with that kid, he's pretty hard to deny.
I mean if the Honey Badger had an arm, do you think Les wouldn't have played him? Get real.
Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:27 am to Open Your Eyes
You need to get back to your law school studies, because you are completely full of shite. If you really think that JaMarcus Brooks was great you should go look him up. He is hanging out on the street corner in Mobile stoned out of his mind waiting for statistic loving jock sniffers like you to come tell him how great he was. Quit pulling shite out of your arse about stupid bullshite like Sanchez and Tebow. The debate is Flynn/Brooks. Stay focused. Flynn is a smart kid, he was tough, stayed at LSU despite being better for the team that JaMarcus Brooks. He was a straight arrow. Meaning he wasn't a jerkoff goofball jokester like JaMarcus Brooks that was up to no good. He was focused on LSU football and not his future pro career. Time will prove me right about Flynn's pro career. Trust me. Jake Delhomme started for a long time in the NFL, so did your buddy Dilfer. Flynn will have his day and he will start more that 25 pathetic games. Bro, you don't know shite about football. This is a waste of time with you. I don't think I'm right. I know I am.
I was cool with the debate until you got cocky.
I was cool with the debate until you got cocky.
Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:27 am to uway
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Running up the score
Oh please, give examples.
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Better b/c the team was better with him despite a lesser group of wideouts.
The offensive coordinator, sets, and plays were different too.
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Flynn had zero TDs in the VT blowout. Statistically that hurts him in comparison to JR, but obviously it shouldn't be a negative in Flynns column.
Why shouldn't it hurt him? What did Flynn have to do with keilands long run besides handing him the ball? Why is Flynn getting credit for periilloux's TD passes in the second half?
And why aren't you answering how Russell's miss st stat line was dragging the offense down?
Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:33 am to Open Your Eyes
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And why aren't you answering how Russell's miss st stat line was dragging the offense down?
I said a NET drag on the offense. He had some great games, b/c he was a great talent. I think we would have beaten MSU and ULL that year without him, though.
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The offensive coordinator, sets, and plays were different too.
We'll never know, but I don't think it likely that Russell would have flourished with the 2007 sets, coordinator, etc.
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Why shouldn't it hurt him
B/c it's a team game and the offense performed great under his leadership.
Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:34 am to SlowFlowPro
Special teams player
Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:42 am to Da #1 Stunna
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Dude, please. I am not posting any of that bull shite.
Why not? They are both perfectly logical conclusions to the arguments you are presenting.
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Stop jumping to ridiculous conclusions.
The conclusions are what's ridiculous; they are based on your argument. Therefore, your argument is ridiculous. Or to put it in layman's terms again for, your opinion is wrong.
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The NFL argument has to do with guys that are actually relevant to the conversation of great players
Then why are you using the NFL argument to support your position of a career backup QB?
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Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson have never had the words great associated with their careers.
Neither has Flynn.
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I am saying that jewelry in the NFL legitimizes greatness in the NFL if you have stats to back you up to be in the great category.
No, you are saying jewelry is the one and only measure of greatness in both college and the NFL. You've posted statements many times in this thread alluding to this, but I'll pull one from this post as an example. Below is a direct quote from you:
"I am saying that statistics are for losers. Its about results."
Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:57 am to Da #1 Stunna
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because you are completely full of shite.
This coming from the guy that argues LSU lost 1 game in 2006, and that interceptions aren't negative plays.
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If you really think that JaMarcus Brooks was great you should go look him up. He is hanging out on the street corner in Mobile stoned out of his mind waiting for statistic loving jock sniffers like you to come tell him how great he was
What does any of that have to do with the fact that he was better than Flynn at LSU?
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Quit pulling shite out of your arse about stupid bull shite like Sanchez and Tebow.
Me showing you how stupid your argument is =/= me pulling bullshite out of my arse.
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The debate is Flynn/Brooks. Stay focused.
I'm plenty focused.
Nick Saban named Russell his starter over Flynn.
Les Miles named Russell his starter over Flynn.
Russell won 1 quarterback of the year award and was a semi-finalist for another. Flynn got 0 consideration for either.
Russell was 1st team All SEC. Flynn MIGHT have been honorable mention.
Is that focused enough for you?
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Flynn is a smart kid
And Russell isn't?
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he was tough
Flynn missed 2 games and came out of another early in his 1 season. Russell missed 0.
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stayed at LSU despite being better for the team that JaMarcus Brooks.
Both Saban and Miles disagree.
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He was a straight arrow. Meaning he wasn't a jerkoff goofball jokester like JaMarcus Brooks that was up to no good
What trouble did Russell get in at LSU?
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He was focused on LSU football and not his future pro career
Because Russell played like shite in his last few games at LSU, right?
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Time will prove me right about Flynn's pro career. Trust me
You argue that interceptions aren't negative plays. Why should anyone trust you?
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Jake Delhomme started for a long time in the NFL, so did your buddy Dilfer. Flynn will have his day and he will start more that 25 pathetic games.
What does that have to do with Matt Flynn?
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Bro, you don't know shite about football. This is a waste of time with you. I don't think I'm right. I know I am.
Your argument is that rings are all that matters. In order for you to be right, you must also argue that AJ Mcarron > Andrew luck and Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino. But you've already called those ridiculous conclusions. So which is it?
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I was cool with the debate until you got cocky.
Puffing your chest out doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.
Posted on 1/5/13 at 1:03 am to uway
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I said a NET drag on the offense. He had some great games, b/c he was a great talent. I think we would have beaten MSU and ULL that year without him, though.
Well no shite. It's now Russell's fault that his team was superior to other teams he faced? The guy can literally do nothing right, aside from garnering multiple postseason accolades and having arguably the best season of any QB in school history.
And btw, a very good argument can be made that Flynn was not needed to beat VT in 2007.
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We'll never know, but I don't think it likely that Russell would have flourished with the 2007 sets, coordinator, etc.
Maybe, maybe not. The fact is though that he did flourish in a comparatively worse offense in 2006 more than Flynn did in a better offense in 2007.
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B/c it's a team game and the offense performed great under his leadership.
Wait, so Russell doesn't get credit for all of his tds because they were "running up the score" but Flynn gets credit for what other people did when he wasn't even in the game? Do you realize what you're saying here?
Posted on 1/5/13 at 1:08 am to Open Your Eyes
I think some people underestimate the level of stupidity running rampant through the coaching staff on that side of the ball.
Posted on 1/5/13 at 3:13 am to Rebel
He might have been a QB for LSU but no way Les would have turned the ball over to him like Sumlin did.
Whomever is calling the shots on the offensive side cannot think past 3rd and short, play it close and hope the D pulls it out.
Whomever is calling the shots on the offensive side cannot think past 3rd and short, play it close and hope the D pulls it out.
Posted on 1/5/13 at 7:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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methinks he'd be a WR or S
Since he was arrested prior to the season, LSU fans wouldn't even want him to have a shot as starting QB so what are you talking about?
Oh, wait....he's white. NVM.
Posted on 1/5/13 at 9:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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methinks he'd be a WR or S
Want to ask this question of every other D1 FBS school as well?
Who knows.
We all know Saban wanted to make Pat White a DB and did.
I never saw threads bashing Saban for that after WVU was so close to winning a NC.
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