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Posted on 1/3/13 at 10:31 pm
Posted by smash williams
San Diego
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 1/3/13 at 10:31 pm
Just wanted to get some opinions from other posters on here. The 1st down pass for 8yds was both aggressive and risky but it worked. Now you have 2nd and 2, you need the clock to continue running. The entire team should understand the situation. My question which is definitely open for debate, is if the staff calls a PA pass, would you expect the Qb to execute that call without question or knowing the situation check to a run instead? Or atleast run the clock down and take a timeout to talk it over. I know its not the players place to question the coaches decision but as the Qb and leader of the team isn't it his responsibility to give his input on the playcalls. I'm not trying to put the blame on Mett, I'm just expressing my opinion of what I think both him and Rivers(back up Qb signaling in the plays) are expected to do as leaders. I have a hard time believing Luck or RG3 would have
thrown a pass in that similar situation.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 10:33 pm to
I liked the 1st and 2nd down play calling.. if execution is there, we win the game. If we don't execute.. I see no reason to pass again on 3rd down..
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 10:35 pm to
Jeremy Hill should have gotten the rock approximately 3 times to at least force them to use their time outs and/or bleed the clock.

That's what I would have called.
Posted by pkf4lsu
League City, Texas
Member since Jan 2005
4192 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 10:37 pm to
My opinion the first down play was the real shocker for me. I was saying. That's not miles like at all. I mean why not run. But after the 8 yard gain I thought. Nice. Now all we need is a couple 1 yard carries and we can bring in the new year with a great win. But........... Oh well
Posted by tiger1014
Member since Jan 2011
12507 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 10:38 pm to
I was ok with the first down pass.

You have second and 2 with one of the best rushing attacks in the game and you need a couple of yards to win the game and you drop back two more times after being reluctant to pass all damn year????

fricking bizarre
Posted by TexTiga
SugarLand , Tx
Member since Oct 2007
2538 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 10:40 pm to
If he had done this into the teeth of 9 in the box and gotten stuffed he would still be lambasted for ultra conservative play calling. Just complete the wide open pass and all this debate stops.
Posted by loyalauron
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2012
1325 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 10:41 pm to
I think we should have pounded it 3 times, but that is in hindsight. I can understand the playcalling there (shocking, I know).

Our formations were absolutely predictable all game, their D knew what we were going to do every play. We passed out of the I (I think, tell if wrong) on 1st & 2nd. In choosing to pass, the coaching staff was probably thinking that Clemson would expect us to pound it like we always do, especially in that formation, therefore giving us the chance to throw them off guard and possibly gain some sizable yards.

When we were running the ball they were filling the box and stuffing us almost every time. That's why I think we chose to pass.
Posted by TigerWatch
Metairie
Member since Feb 2004
3214 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 10:53 pm to
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Posted by smash williams
San Diego
Member since Apr 2009
19739 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 10:55 pm to
That last series just seemed forced and almost predetermined. It's like they told Mett, hey we are putting the ball in your hands, its up to you. I would have used Ware on 2nd down, Hill on 3rd down if necessary.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 10:56 pm to
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That last series just seemed forced and almost predetermined. It's like they told Mett, hey we are putting the ball in your hands, its up to you. I would have used Ware on 2nd down, Hill on 3rd down if necessary.


I wouldn't have minded an outside run with Ford.. I don't think we ran one of those all night. Our WRs block pretty darn well..
Posted by LSUANDY25
Frisco
Member since Dec 2012
3087 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 11:07 pm to
Terrific Post! I read on here that Mett audibled out of the play call.
I find that hard even more harder to believe than originally thought?
either way its hard to believe! what a head scratcher

College is different u do what ur told and if u are a QB and they call a pass play first instinct is hell yeah.

i do agree tho that the big time poised playmakers most likely wouldve said no way we going right up the middle and start shaking hands. Lonergan couldve spoke up as well. But this is on the coach until otherwise proven. Mett needs to pick it up next yr, to his credit he reduced the turnovers and "Kept us" in every game down the stretch. But we need more from him, we chose him to run this machine he needs to hold up his end of the bargain. I do wonder why we can not get a receiver wide open much more often is it just me or do we just not get separation even when its man to man?
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 11:19 pm to
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If he had done this into the teeth of 9 in the box and gotten stuffed he would still be lambasted for ultra conservative play calling.

not from me and if he had gotten a first down the game would have ended.

2:43 on the clock at the LSU 39

Clemson has seven in the box

we pass and it works, we get to bleed the clock, it was a good call but not the one I would have made...

Credit to Les.



1:58 2nd and 2 at the LSU 47

Clemson has six rushing and three hanging back, we gamble big time with a play action roll out and the pass rush causes Mett to hurry his throw which goes incomplete and stops the clock.

This basically gave them a time out.




1:52 3rd and 2 at the LSU 47

They rush four with two hanging back in the box.

We run a quick button hook to the WR that may have been intercepted if it wasn't batted down.

This gave them another timeout.



Worst case scenario with Hill running three times is better than what LSU ended up giving them (three timeouts with 1:39 on the clock)


I know hindsight is 20/20 but I think we should have used the team's strengths (Jeremy Hill) and not been so cute with the play calling.

Mett was getting pressured all night and to throw three times in a row at the risk of something going disastrously wrong (pick six) was borderline idiotic IMO.

I then watched the end of the Rose Bowl where Stanford was in this similar situation.

Guess what they did?

ETA:




This post was edited on 1/3/13 at 11:31 pm
Posted by TigerCard
Cleveland, OH
Member since Nov 2009
889 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 11:20 pm to
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I wouldn't have minded an outside run with Ford.. I don't think we ran one of those all night. Our WRs block pretty darn well..


Yep...we ran Ford wide to the left side once, and it didn't go anywhere, if I remember correctly. Don't think it would have worked, because anytime Ford comes into the game, you can bet the house we're going to run a sweep.
Posted by JaySlidell
Slidell
Member since Mar 2007
45 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 11:20 pm to
My opinion the first down play was the real shocker for me. I was saying. That's not miles like at all. I mean why not run. But after the 8 yard gain I thought. Nice. Now all we need is a couple 1 yard carries and we can bring in the new year with a great win. But........... Oh well
I felt the same way. 2 attempts to run it,worse case scenario we do not get it but force them to call time out or watch the clock run . Also like the idea about Ford getting an chance to get to the outside.
This post was edited on 1/3/13 at 11:22 pm
Posted by nf
Portland, OR
Member since Oct 2012
520 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 11:23 pm to
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Yep...we ran Ford wide to the left side once, and it didn't go anywhere, if I remember correctly. Don't think it would have worked, because anytime Ford comes into the game, you can bet the house we're going to run a sweep.


That's why we should have dome something totally mind blowing and run someone OTHER than Ford to the outside. Zany, I know, but if our personnel packages didn't give away our play call 90% of the time we'd probably get stuffed on short downs less often.
Posted by TigerCard
Cleveland, OH
Member since Nov 2009
889 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 11:27 pm to
quote:

I liked the 1st and 2nd down play calling.. if execution is there, we win the game. If we don't execute.. I see no reason to pass again on 3rd down..


This is what I've believed all along. Landry was wide open on 2nd down and he had the first down easy. I wonder how far he would have gotten if Mett had hit him in stride. It looks like he would have been able to turn up field before going out of bounds, and it looks like our outside guy had his defender locked up. I don't know where the next closest Clemson defender was. Oh, well..... I agree that we should have run on third down.
Posted by TigerCard
Cleveland, OH
Member since Nov 2009
889 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 11:33 pm to
quote:

That's why we should have dome something totally mind blowing and run someone OTHER than Ford to the outside. Zany, I know, but if our personnel packages didn't give away our play call 90% of the time we'd probably get stuffed on short downs less often.


I don't think we're quite so predictable with Hill or Ware in there, but Ford never does anything but run wide. I can't remember anytime this season where he ran inside. Be interesting to see a chart or stat about the tendencies of our various RBs.
Posted by nf
Portland, OR
Member since Oct 2012
520 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 11:53 pm to
People also say a lot of goofy stuff about that 2nd down throw that just isn't true. It's an 18 yard pass on the run that Mettenberger has to get over/around a leaping d-lineman who is about two yards away from him. It's not an easy throw and definitely not one I'd expect Mett to make given how shaky he has been throwing on the run all year.

It would have also been maybe a 5 yard gain, total. There were at least 3 defenders around Landry that were closing and would have made the tackle. No way he takes it very far.

Watch the play here, starting at around 1:33:

LINK
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 11:56 pm to
quote:

People also say a lot of goofy stuff about that 2nd down throw that just isn't true. It's an 18 yard pass on the run that Mettenberger has to get over/around a leaping d-lineman who is about two yards away from him. It's not an easy throw and definitely not one I'd expect Mett to make given how shaky he has been throwing on the run all year.

I'm glad someone else is noticing this.

The pass rusher really disrupted this play which wasn't as easy as some on here have made it out to be.
Posted by la_birdman
Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31001 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 11:58 pm to
quote:

Jeremy Hill should have gotten the rock approximately 3 times to at least force them to use their time outs and/or bleed the clock.




Agreed. We had 1 rushing yard in the 4th and not by Hill. He was pounding them.

I'll never understand why he had no carries in the 4th. Makes no sense.

I also would've taken Alexander out, as well as he's been playing up to this game, he had an off game. Put Williford in. He was 100% for this game. He's been a starter and not a true freshman in his first bowl game. It hardly would've hurt.
This post was edited on 1/4/13 at 12:03 am
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