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re: Football is over, New Years Day, and the Hornets couldn't get 13,000 tonight
Posted on 1/2/13 at 7:24 am to Weebie
Posted on 1/2/13 at 7:24 am to Weebie
Anyone who expected a big crowd on New Years Day/Evening in a town the size of New Orleans with its other diversions, must be smoking dope. I'm not saying it's an excuse. I'm saying it's predictable and not in the least surprising, and I've been a season ticket owner for the Hornets since day one in N.O., as well as a Saints season ticket owner. The only thing that would have made a difference for this particular game would be an exciting and contending team. Then the crowd would have been better for the obvious reason of a better product and because a contending team would have been cultivating more regular attendees along the way.
It doesn't make one bit of difference what other markets do. Certain times of year and events will affect Hornets attendance and the effect is more noticeable simply because of our smaller population. Halloween, the holidays, Mardi Gras, JazzFest, etc. They have at least some effect. It doesn't matter how much people bitch and whine about it. It's reality. Get over it.
If this team recaptures the excitement of the Paul, West, Chandler team when they were hot, people will forget the attendance worries. Once January gets here, you'll see that string of sellouts that we used to have in '08.
It doesn't make one bit of difference what other markets do. Certain times of year and events will affect Hornets attendance and the effect is more noticeable simply because of our smaller population. Halloween, the holidays, Mardi Gras, JazzFest, etc. They have at least some effect. It doesn't matter how much people bitch and whine about it. It's reality. Get over it.
If this team recaptures the excitement of the Paul, West, Chandler team when they were hot, people will forget the attendance worries. Once January gets here, you'll see that string of sellouts that we used to have in '08.
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Posted on 1/2/13 at 7:39 am to Weebie
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but it seems there are some people who will just downright lie to themselves and make up ridiculous excuses for the horrible fan support this team gets. even when the Hornets had Chris Paul and was a playoff team 3 out of 4 years from 07-11, they had relatively poor attendance and fan support every year with the exception of one season (2008-09 season where they averaged almost 17,000. the other three seasons were between 14,000-15,000).
For my part, I don't lie to myself nor do I make excuses. It's more that I face reality about this market and get tired of the bitching and moaning that sometimes occurs about the subject on this board (not really referring to you, Weebie).
Yes, New Orleans is a tough market and Stern recognized it. But I guarantee you that he would have not been so adamant about keeping the franchise here if he didn't see good things in the future (while he doesn't like relocations, he has certainly allowed teams to move in the past). I think the NBA (surprisingly enough) has more confidence about the long term in N.O. than many who post on this board.
Yes, I wish this area had more consistent basketball fans and more of an NBA culture. But if you think about the history of this particular franchise in this town, it's not surprising that it's taking longer for the community to embrace it. Mediocre talent and disgruntled players, lousy ownership (no money and less acumen). And when, in spite of themselves, they put a terrific team on the floor a few seasons ago, people came. If the franchise with new ownership can put together a consecutive string of those types of seasons with a talented squad, you'll significantly better attendance. And what's more important, many of those fairweather fans will become more dependable, regular fans.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 8:16 am to VOR
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how any of this matters.
It's a business concern, but with a known cause, a known remedy, and the fix is in work . . . the team will be playoff-bound next season almost certainly.
Benson may complain, but he should. It's not a real complaint. It'll be using the facts to get some business leverage with the state, sponsors, etc.
This seems to be uninformed fans either misunderstanding what is important or just stirring the pot like children.
It's a business concern, but with a known cause, a known remedy, and the fix is in work . . . the team will be playoff-bound next season almost certainly.
Benson may complain, but he should. It's not a real complaint. It'll be using the facts to get some business leverage with the state, sponsors, etc.
This seems to be uninformed fans either misunderstanding what is important or just stirring the pot like children.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 8:18 am to 42
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stirring the pot like children.
We have a winner.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 8:51 am to 42
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I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how any of this matters.
It doesn't matter for now. Five years from now, perhaps.
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It's a business concern, but with a known cause, a known remedy, and the fix is in work . . . the team will be playoff-bound next season almost certainly.
Agreed.
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Benson may complain, but he should. It's not a real complaint. It'll be using the facts to get some business leverage with the state, sponsors, etc.
This reminds me of something. I guarantee you that if someone were to do some close research on certain franchises . . . Atlanta being a good example . . . they would find years with lousy attendance (actual attendance, not tickets sold). But it was irrelevant. Why? Sponsorships.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 9:09 am to VOR
I pulled a vor and forgot there was a game. Sucks bc i wouldve gone or at least given my tix away on here.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 9:37 am to Weebie
Basketball will never be popular in Louisiana. I just accepted that fact and changing the name will do no good to attract more people. The stadium will be empty forever until we start competing.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 9:40 am to CP3LSU25
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Basketball will never be popular in Louisiana. I just accepted that fact and changing the name will do no good to attract more people. The stadium will be empty forever until we start competing.
This makes no sense.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 9:48 am to CP3LSU25
I don't really care about attendance and think it is an overblown issue (people will come if they win). But it would help if the team had at least one bankable star that people wanted to watch. Maybe Davis will get there, but the guy isn't that charismatic (the brow thing can only go so far). Even an old star or two would have helped or maybe someone with some local ties.
I'll never forget a few years ago when Shaq was a free agent and there was talk of NO signing him. He ended up taking less than 2m with the Celts. He would have put some butts in the seats down here. It made no sense not to sign him, especially when the back-up Center (Gray) made more than Shaq that year.
I'll never forget a few years ago when Shaq was a free agent and there was talk of NO signing him. He ended up taking less than 2m with the Celts. He would have put some butts in the seats down here. It made no sense not to sign him, especially when the back-up Center (Gray) made more than Shaq that year.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:00 am to 42
A season like this takes its toll on fans. I was given two free tickets last night and almost didn't go, but did.
It is hard for many people to justify getting out of the house, going to the arena, paying for parking, paying to eat and drink...and then sitting through a completely inept shitshow.
When they start winning, people will be there.
It is hard for many people to justify getting out of the house, going to the arena, paying for parking, paying to eat and drink...and then sitting through a completely inept shitshow.
When they start winning, people will be there.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:11 am to Fun Bunch
The Arena is also a bitch to get to and from for anyone that doesn't live in NOLA. I'd make a lot more games if the Arena was in Metry or Kenner.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:19 am to Jester
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It is hard for many people to justify getting out of the house, going to the arena, paying for parking, paying to eat and drink...and then sitting through a completely inept shitshow.
i realize that not everyone can do this, but I park for free on the street, eat beforehand, usually at most buy a water (and even then most of the time, I just get a sip out of the water fountain). so i just pay my 4 bucks for the ticket and whatever for gas. you can go to these games for less than the cost of going to a movie, if you want to.
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The Arena is also a bitch to get to and from for anyone that doesn't live in NOLA. I'd make a lot more games if the Arena was in Metry or Kenner.
so sorry the NEW ORLEANS hornets are inconvenient for people from outside New Orleans. next time, i'm sure they will try to build the arena in LaPlace to make it more accessible to people from outside the city. you know what, maybe they can build one in Slidell, too...so that people from mississippi can more easily come. then just split the games between the two arenas eta: not trying to be an a-hole toward you, but if that's being used as an excuse for poor attendance...an extra 10 minutes to drive...then that's weak.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 10:21 am
Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:29 am to quail man
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so sorry the NEW ORLEANS hornets are inconvenient for people from outside New Orleans.
I think I recall the GOVERNOR agreeing to subsidize the Hornets with STATE funds.
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eta: not trying to be an a-hole toward you, but if that's being used as an excuse for poor attendance...an extra 10 minutes to drive...then that's weak.
I don't need to make excuses. I provided a reason why I do not attend more games. The same reason why a lot of people from BR do not attend more games.
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eta: not trying to be an a-hole toward you, but if that's being used as an excuse for poor attendance...an extra 10 minutes to drive...then that's weak.
Extra 10 minutes? Maybe one way without any traffic
Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:32 am to Jester
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I think I recall the GOVERNOR agreeing to subsidize the Hornets with STATE funds
so you want them to move to Alexandria to centralize them in the state?
the CBD is the near center of new orleans. it's easy for anyone within new orleans to get to. if you're not going to go to a game because you have to drive an extra few minutes, then tough shite.
there are multiple posters on this board who make the drive from BR for games.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:37 am to quail man
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so you want them to move to Alexandria to centralize them in the state?
No, why do you insist on acting dense here?
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the CBD is the near center of new orleans.
And New Orleans is a small city with a population that generally lives hand to mouth.
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if you're not going to go to a game because you have to drive an extra few minutes, then tough shite.
Not really tough at all. This is why I pay for cable.
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there are multiple posters on this board who make the drive from BR for games.
Feel free to give them all a handjob.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:41 am to Jester
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This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 10:42 am
Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:41 am to Jester
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I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how any of this matters.
It matters because people want to see the team get a little better support. I don't see how this is such a difficult concept for you to grasp. You may disagree with it, but it's hardly rocket science.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:45 am to CP3forMVP
Saints attendance was sucking from the start of 2000 on. Winning cured that and now every bandwagon frick who didn't give 2 shits prior bitch and complain bc they are stuck on a waiting list.
1 more year of futility with the Hornets. New name, another high pick, some free agents... Just wait, the buzz will be back.
1 more year of futility with the Hornets. New name, another high pick, some free agents... Just wait, the buzz will be back.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:45 am to GrandeBeli
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Come on people FAN UP and go to the games!
y???
team is lame, no life. they got my money for tickets, all they care about
and stop telling people what to do. It's america
Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:47 am to Jester
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No, why do you insist on acting dense here?
just answering what your point implied which was that since it's an organization that is in part funded by the state (which the state/economy, in turn, makes money off) it should be in an area accessible to everyone in the state.
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And New Orleans is a small city with a population that generally lives hand to mouth.
yes, 1.2 million people in the metropolitan area, and nearly 400k in the city...very small...only top 40 in the USA
btw, this is exactly what the troll that started this thread wanted
i'm just tired of people giving excuses for poor attendance. but, then again, i don't care at all what the attendance is because it doesn't even matter right now
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