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re: just finished looper
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:56 pm to LoveThatMoney
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:56 pm to LoveThatMoney
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O yeah... That's true. Well shite.
Old Joe also went way off the radar.. I took it as, all of the other loops were being closed before young Joe because the Rainmaker was sending them back prematurely, but Old Joe had gone completely off the radar and the Rainmaker wasn't able to find him as quick.
As for the plot holes, the whole time travel thing is pretty messed up, how did the Rainmaker become bad without Old Joe killing the mother, if he was destined to become bad to begin with if you are to believe this, then Joe is just a dumb retard who killed himself for nothing.
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Posted on 1/2/13 at 9:32 pm to BaddestAndvari
Just watched the movie
Right, if he was going to be bad anyway, without old Joe killing his mom, than Joe killed himself for nothing at all.
If Old Joe was the reason he became bad, he would've known who the rainmaker was the whole time right?
Also why didn't Joe just shoot off his right hand? It would've made Old Joe drop his gun and he could've run up and killed him
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As for the plot holes, the whole time travel thing is pretty messed up, how did the Rainmaker become bad without Old Joe killing the mother, if he was destined to become bad to begin with if you are to believe this, then Joe is just a dumb retard who killed himself for nothing.
Right, if he was going to be bad anyway, without old Joe killing his mom, than Joe killed himself for nothing at all.
If Old Joe was the reason he became bad, he would've known who the rainmaker was the whole time right?
Also why didn't Joe just shoot off his right hand? It would've made Old Joe drop his gun and he could've run up and killed him
Posted on 1/2/13 at 9:55 pm to Tiger1242
My issue is the whole TK aspect. It was the most convenient plot line I've seen. 10 % of the population has telekinetic abilities, no one does nothing about it. The movie doesn't explore it, just comes off as a bail out plot line to make the movie work.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 12:15 am to Javzz
A few issues...
Obviously killing people in the future isn't that big of a deal since they kill Joe's wife thus dismissing the need for loopers.
Ignoring that, since the time machine can send people to any place, why even worry with a looper at all? Send that mother fricker straight to the furnace.
This is if we accept that maybe the time machine can only send you back 30 years and no more (because you could just send them back 60 million years to be eaten by dinosaurs). Maybe it's like Quantum Leap and you must leap within your own lifetime.
Obviously killing people in the future isn't that big of a deal since they kill Joe's wife thus dismissing the need for loopers.
Ignoring that, since the time machine can send people to any place, why even worry with a looper at all? Send that mother fricker straight to the furnace.
This is if we accept that maybe the time machine can only send you back 30 years and no more (because you could just send them back 60 million years to be eaten by dinosaurs). Maybe it's like Quantum Leap and you must leap within your own lifetime.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 12:30 am to The Easter Bunny
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Ignoring that, since the time machine can send people to any place, why even worry with a looper at all? Send that mother fricker straight to the furnace.
Or just send back a dead body for them to dispose of
Posted on 1/3/13 at 12:37 am to Tiger1242
After young Joe killed himself there wouldn't be an old Joe to send back in the first place so the entire movie from the moment old Joe is sent back never happened. Thinking about it makes me want to kill myself too.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 12:39 am to TheFolker
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After young Joe killed himself there wouldn't be an old Joe to send back in the first place so the entire movie from the moment old Joe is sent back never happened.
So you think all those gangsters are alive???
Maybe, the time travel rules in this univers are all kinds of fricked up
Posted on 1/3/13 at 12:42 am to The Easter Bunny
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While I was watching I was able to overlook a lot of that, but then in the following days a lot of it just bugged me too much
Agree. I try to be good, but I'm really not the best at suspending my disbelief.. especially in time travel movies.
There was this super shitty Sanda Bullock movie from .. hell, probably 10 years ago now.. called Premonition. I remember being pretty young when it came out, so kids thought it was so awesome. And I just remember walking out livid that NOTHING matched up. It's like the writers/directors got confused by their own story and didn't answer any of the questions they posed at the beginning.
LOST (tv show) did the same shite. By the end of the series, all of the questions they made so sure to raise in the beginning seasons were never answered or even bothered with. People/situations they made seem SO important were not even remembered by the end of the series.
I still think Looper was a great movie, but I spent days still tying loose ends together.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 12:55 am to The Easter Bunny
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Maybe it's like Quantum Leap and you must leap within your own lifetime
I didn't think about sending someone back past their own lifetime. I guess I subconsciously assumed it to be this way.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 5:32 am to TheFolker
quote:the time travel rules in looper are somewhat similar to the movie Primer.
After young Joe killed himself there wouldn't be an old Joe to send back in the first place so the entire movie from the moment old Joe is sent back never happened
multi universe theory.
It is sorta explained in the scene at the dinner between old Joe and new Joe.
The problem is not necessarily with the logic, but with people being unable to properly understand the different time travel theories of physics
Posted on 1/3/13 at 8:11 am to The Easter Bunny
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Obviously killing people in the future isn't that big of a deal since they kill Joe's wife thus dismissing the need for loopers.
He explains it at the begining, it is a big deal, to easy to detect so the killing of Joe's wife is a frick up.
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why even worry with a looper at all? Send that mother fricker straight to the furnace.
this is the real problem with time travel movies. When there are infinite possibilites, there are infinate scenarios for people to come up with to pick at
my guess is it why take a chance he can get away or some one else seeing him or finding the body? The loopers tie it up nice.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 8:13 am to Pilot Tiger
But where Looper fricks up is by using two different theories of time travel in the same film. You can't have a parallel universe setting in one scene only to show them carving shite into the arm of a young looper and having it appear on the older version.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 8:16 am to Tiger1242
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If Old Joe was the reason he became bad, he would've known who the rainmaker was the whole time right?
No, they don't know who the Rainmaker is.
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After young Joe killed himself there wouldn't be an old Joe to send back in the first place so the entire movie from the moment old Joe is sent back never happened
A new time line starts from that moment.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 8:17 am to TotesMcGotes
Yeah, that was confusing. They were using both aspects of time travel.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 8:19 am to TotesMcGotes
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You can't have a parallel universe setting in one scene only to show them carving shite into the arm of a young looper and having it appear on the older version.
How is that not the same theory? To the people in the present, the future hasn't happened yet, to the people from the future it has. Its really just an allegory anyway.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 8:22 am to TotesMcGotes
quote:yea you can
You can't have a parallel universe setting in one scene only to show them carving shite into the arm of a young looper and having it appear on the older version
Posted on 1/3/13 at 8:30 am to Pilot Tiger
No you can't. They did and it totally ruined the ending. Because they established both theories of time travel, having young Joe kill himself may have done literally nothing because of the presence of a parallel universe.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 8:53 am to TotesMcGotes
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No you can't. They did and it totally ruined the ending. Because they established both theories of time travel, having young Joe kill himself may have done literally nothing because of the presence of a parallel universe
no dude
Posted on 1/3/13 at 9:10 am to Pilot Tiger
Yes, dude.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 9:46 am to TotesMcGotes
quote:well yea, the problem with your argument is that we know what happened to old joe when young joe killed himelf.
having young Joe kill himself may have done literally nothing because of the presence of a parallel universe.
so it's irrevelent what you think MAY happen in a multiverse situation...we know what happened...and we know different theories are used in the movie
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