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re: Just ordered Glockzilla from buds***it has arrived
Posted on 12/27/12 at 1:43 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 12/27/12 at 1:43 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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But let's put the agressive bullet atop the full power 10mm instead of the .40 short&weak
You can get light 10mm loads that will closely mimic the performance of the better .40 defense loads. Nobody is stopping you from overpaying for things.
(ETA and probably from Corbon, at that.)
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 1:44 pm
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Posted on 12/27/12 at 1:48 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:I was always told the reason the feds went to the 10mm round was because it didn't possess as much of an overpenetration problem of other smaller rounds,consequently making it safer for other agents who may be on the other side of a perp.
The overpenetration is the problem
Posted on 12/27/12 at 1:54 pm to Ace Midnight
You missed what I was saying. Take a full power 10mm hunting load. Pull the bullet out and stick in a light weight agressively expanding .40 bullet.
Ultimate self defense load???
Ultimate self defense load???
Posted on 12/27/12 at 1:54 pm to meauxjeaux2
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I was always told the reason the feds went to the 10mm round was because it didn't possess as much of an overpenetration problem of other smaller rounds,consequently making it safer for other agents who may be on the other side of a perp.
Virtually all of the heavier loads of 10mm tend to overpenetrate. They went to the 10mm because 9mm didn't work in Miami, either in parabellum form, or sub-magnum .357 (read, .38 +P). The .40 (I'm not saying it's perfect, it is still a handgun round, after all) is a refinement on that - the .357 Sig is (arguably) a further refinement.
The cartridge manufacturers are constantly working on this balance - bullet weight, muzzle velocity, terminal velocity, reliable expansion, "optimal" penetration, to find a good combination that works for various people - and they do a good job. But working with animal wounds is a thing of the past. Gelatin can test some things, but it has its limitations.
We don't really have enough data to judge these things until cops have shot enough people with them - that's the sad reality.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 12/27/12 at 1:56 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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You missed what I was saying. Take a full power 10mm hunting load. Pull the bullet out and stick in a light weight agressively expanding .40 bullet.
That's just silly - you want to take your overpenetration problem and make it worse? Push a lighter bullet even faster? The bullets are optimized to expand at a certain velocity - I think that's the part you're missing.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 2:03 pm to Ace Midnight
Just let the bullet expand more. To point of failure even. Crash a .40 bullet at faster than its designed to go.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 2:40 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Just let the bullet expand more. To point of failure even. Crash a .40 bullet at faster than its designed to go.
I think the batteries were dead in my troll detector. They've been replaced.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 2:40 pm to meauxjeaux2
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What's the OB's thought on Heckler & Koch pistols?
Well a few of us LOVE them.
I own a couple p30s (.40 & 9mm) but today was 2nd Christmas and I just got back from the range with a new p2000.
I have a serious HK addiction.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 12/27/12 at 2:44 pm to Helo
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Well a few of us LOVE them.
I own a couple p30s (.40 & 9mm) but today was 2nd Christmas and I just got back from the range with a new p2000.
They're wonderful guns - there are few in the used market, they're almost never discounted and they're as heavy (or heavier) as a Sig. Having said that, they're absolute tanks and pretty sweet shooters at that.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 2:44 pm to Ace Midnight
I'm not trollin.
Just wondering why we can't fix over penetration by making the bullet expand and shed weight more dramatically.
Just wondering why we can't fix over penetration by making the bullet expand and shed weight more dramatically.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:07 pm to Helo
quote:Was that at 50 yards or something?
I have a serious HK problem.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:14 pm to Helo
so they're pretty heavy? Should make for a good target shooting gun then right?
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:16 pm to Hammertime
center mass 10yds, head was 13.
Ill take this all day especially right out of the box, no cleaning, stiff spring / trigger, new gun and having never shot one before.
Plus I am not exactly precision aiming these shots.
The low 4 were all DA shots. Pretty long draw.
I wanted to compare to my broken in p30s
Ill take this all day especially right out of the box, no cleaning, stiff spring / trigger, new gun and having never shot one before.
Plus I am not exactly precision aiming these shots.
The low 4 were all DA shots. Pretty long draw.
I wanted to compare to my broken in p30s
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:20 pm to meauxjeaux2
If you are wanting a super fun range gun, get a p30l if you can find one. The recoil is barely noticeable. I laugh every time I start shooting it because it is such a joy to shoot.
This is more of a practice and carry gun and will be my BOB firearm. I have a kahr p9 which is my current carry but I wanted something more substantial at times.
This is more of a practice and carry gun and will be my BOB firearm. I have a kahr p9 which is my current carry but I wanted something more substantial at times.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:29 pm to Helo
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:32 pm to D500MAG
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if you want a defense round for 10mm, try these
That's a good source - doubletap is almost the name in 10mm factory loadings. Because of its nature, a bunch of people handload them (although I still don't recommend that for a Glock - but that is my cautious side coming out). Doubletap, among others, has really tried to broaden the offerings for 10mm over the last 8 to 10 years.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:33 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Nothing wrong with the 10mm, my Glock 29 has been great...
Posted on 12/27/12 at 4:03 pm to wiltznucs
I looked at the 29's but wanted to be able to add a longer barrel if I decided to down the road. I'm ready to get this thing paid off and out into the woods 
Posted on 12/27/12 at 4:06 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Mine is a Gen 2 Glock so it's a bit older now but it shoots darn well. I'm sure you'll be pleased with the 20...
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