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uway
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You must know this isn't true. Literally hundreds of thousands of cops and you think most of them are bad?



I don't think most of them are "bad". "Needle in a haystack" was probably a poor choice of words.

Honestly, this is a highly charged subject, or should be, for anyone who cares about civil rights. Anecdotal evidence, when acquired during encounters with people who could easily lie their way into ruining your life, has a way of dominating the perception.

Bottom line is that I think it's a mistake for cops to allow each other to act the arse to people who aren't criminals. B/c of the power (both real and perceived) they hold, cops should be held to a higher standard of behavior than most other professions. It's no defense at all to say that there are also bad lawyers and doctors.






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HarryBalzack
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I'm saying a cop shouldn't go down to the suspects' level and get into a mud slinging contest.


Agreed.

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What, specifically, am I saying that's so out of touch?


Probably he shotgun-blast approach you're taking against all cops in general instead of examining this specific case on its merits. People don't develop stereotypes in a vacuum, generally, so it's reasonable to assume that there's some reason you have such strong opinions on the matter.

And don't get me wrong, I have some serious problems with the way many police agencies operate: dressing like military personnel, removing identification from their regular patrol vehicles, approaching policing like it was still the 1950s and they're Sgt. Joe Friday, etc., but I don't make overly-general, exceptionally broad statements about the entire profession.






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BTHog
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What makes you think I've had any? Are people so simple minded to believe that only personal experiences can dictate opinion? I've never been to war, but I have opinions on that. I've never worked at the Federal Reserve, but I have opinions on that.



There is opinion then there is uneducated opinion. You refuse to let anyone educate you. Cops are trained to take over a situation as quickly as possible. Command presence is the tool to use because most of the time people reflexively comply and no one has to be injured. Sometimes it has to be escalated beyond that.






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DanTiger
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B/c of the power (both real and perceived) they hold, cops should be held to a higher standard of behavior than most other professions.


And they are. Do you have an internal affairs division at your company that reviews any complaints filed by consumers against you? Did you undergo a background invetigation and polygraph in order to be hired? Did you know that one of the tenants of every police academy is integrity and if one violates it by lying or not being honest at any time they are immediately expelled? I truly don't see what more can be done.






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I dont know who is dumber in that video. The cop or the kid.



yep. that was painful to watch






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ocelot4ark
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2. nicely ask you to surrender



You're operating under the assumption that I was restricting this line of thought to people who are being arrested or served? I'm talking about ALL cop interactions with the public.

For you to ask someone to surrender would mean you had cause to arrest. After that all bets are off. I'm talking about BEFORE that. BEFORE that person has become a "criminal." When they're just a suspect that you're questioning. Before you have cause to arrest them. If you pull someone over for speeding and he immediately says, "What the frick do you want, pig?" Obviously, that's a dick thing to say. All I'm saying is that the cop can do his job without stooping to that dick'ish level.

Obviously if a cop is trying to arrest someone that isn't complying, I don't advocate just saying, "PRETTY PLEASSEEEE."


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Again, learn the law. THey do not have to explain shite to you to enter your room.


I never said they did. Did I? Where did I say that? Dan, or someone else, I forget, said that all evidence pointed to the cops being in the right in this thread based on rule 4. Well rule 4 required a reason to believe violations were occurring.

Hang with me here, simpleton. SAYING THAT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF THIS "REASON TO BELIEVE" within this thread, does not mean that it doesn't exist. It means that there's no video, statement, article, etc that explains what gave the cops the right to exercise that search based on rule 4. None. Life is not black and white.

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but the kid agreed that school officials could enter his room at any time with no other stipulations. Meaning they don't have to even have a reason, let alone give the kid one.


Uhhh, wrong.

Room Entry Policy

Authorized university personnel may enter a student's residence hall room without permission for the following reasons:
1. To provide routine maintenance - Nope, not this.
2. To provide routine inspections to ensure that residents are following health, fire, and safety regulations - Nope[/b]
3. To respond to emergency situations; e.g., situations which threaten the health and/or safety of room occupants, and situations which require immediate maintenance to prevent property damage or immediate action to correct the health, fire and/or safety risk - Nope
4. When there is reason to believe that a violation of university policy is taking place in the room and occupants in the room do not open the door when requested to do so. - Probably based on speculation.

All 4 of those things represent the agreed upon policy by which the university can enter a residence. He didn't give them carte blance over his domicile.



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BTHog
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And they are. Do you have an internal affairs division at your company that reviews any complaints filed by consumers against you? Did you undergo a background invetigation and polygraph in order to be hired? Did you know that one of the tenants of every police academy is integrity and if one violates it by lying or not being honest at any time they are immediately expelled? I truly don't see what more can be done.


You dont get it. Cops should just stand there and take whatever abuse is heaped on them, and NEVER react.

Why? Because they are the lowest common denominator man.






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EarthwormJim
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That guy didn't even know what belligerent meant, what a tard.





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LSURussian
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Man, that student is a fricking prick. Wish they would have tased him.







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ocelot4ark
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Have you ever been in combat or any life or death situation involving an aggressive opponent in your life? Loud verbal commands and physical posturing is grenerally the only thing that will work short of the use of physical force if you are about to be attacked or shot at. This is true even in the animal world exclusive of humans.


Then the policy of every police force in the country, when arresting someone for failure to, say, pay child support, is to come guns drawn?

Regardless. I realize that authoritative language is the most effective means in those situations. I'm mainly referring to the possibility to be civil in non-threatening situations such as the one in this video.






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uway
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People tend to naturally comply when spoken to in an authoritative manner. WHich like it or not is usually the fastest way to resolve a situation.

If you're a suspect and I'm the cop, and you are being a douche. I essentially have three options

1. just walk away - and that's not really an option

2. nicely ask you to surrender

3. in an authoritative voice ORDER you to surrender.
I'm sorry man, but you are beyond retarded if you don't understand that option 3 is going to be the quickest resolution 99 out of 100 times.


I'm completely sympathetic to that. I think the implications of #1 are under-appreciated by people who are anti-cop.

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Now that doesn't mean violate anyone's rights, but some of you seem to think you have a right to not have cops be mean to you. There is no such right.

Ok, but you can't ignore the consequences of unnecessarily being that way. If a cop was ordering me around like a dick b/c he was trying to deal with some sort of urgent situation, that would be fine.

When a cop rolls up on me (in my van, with 3 kids in the back) and treats me like dog shite b/c I'm parked in the 1/4 mile long fire lane at Wal-Mart for five minutes waiting on someone, he may be within his rights and mine might not be violated, but that's hardly going to engender trust and cooperation.

My experience is that whatever the reason for the encounter, cops often have a tendency to treat you as sub-human. Again, given the nature of police work, that's understandable in extreme situations but not otherwise.







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DanTiger
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ocelot4ark


The simple fact is that many cops are not cheery people because they deal with the scum of the Earth day in and day out. It takes a toll on people after years of this and tends to tarnish the view they have of the public. It would be fool hardy to fire these people, as I knowyou will suggest, because it is a large portion of the police force and because they have experience and can solve crimes for the public rookies cannot. It is a hard job and it has always been so and people are not beating down the doors to join the profession. I believe all of you have good intentions when you suggest higher education requirements and pay raises to go along with it but that just doesn't work in the real world where our economy is suffering. The truth is that the system works as well as it can with the limitations placed upon it. If you tighten the noose around cops you put them in more danger and more will quit resulting in, whether you believe so or not, more crime.






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ocelot4ark
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Probably he shotgun-blast approach you're taking against all cops in general instead of examining this specific case on its merits. People don't develop stereotypes in a vacuum, generally, so it's reasonable to assume that there's some reason you have such strong opinions on the matter.

And don't get me wrong, I have some serious problems with the way many police agencies operate: dressing like military personnel, removing identification from their regular patrol vehicles, approaching policing like it was still the 1950s and they're Sgt. Joe Friday, etc., but I don't make overly-general, exceptionally broad statements about the entire profession.


I'm not applying a general statement to all cops. I'm not saying all cops are dicks. I'm not saying all cops act like dicks. I'm saying all cops can help not escalate non-threatening situations by staying calm and not inciting further actions from agitated people by getting into verbal back-and-forths that have nothing to do with the issue.






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BTHog
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Then the policy of every police force in the country, when arresting someone for failure to, say, pay child support, is to come guns drawn?


No, in fact the exact opposite. Drawing your gun is the last resort. That is the intent of verbally taking over a situation, so you don't have to draw your weapon.

Imagine in this situation if that cop would have pulled a gun,, that kid no doubt would have escalated it even further then maybe someone gets shot rather than just getting their feelers hurt.

That said, this particular cop doesn't have much in the way of chops when it come to taking over a situation.







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HarryBalzack
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2. To provide routine inspections to ensure that residents are following health, fire, and safety regulations


This, because alcohol is a health and safety regulation issue on campuses. The university has a duty to undertake reasonable measures to guard against the illegal use of alcohol. They evidently had a report of alcohol from someone they believed to be a reliable informant, thus giving them cause to conduct an in-plain-view search of the dorm room.

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When there is reason to believe that a violation of university policy is taking place in the room and occupants in the room do not open the door when requested to do so.

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- Probably based on speculation.


What the hell, man? Are they supposed to hold a habeas corpus hearing for every report of illegal activity that they receive?






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You're operating under the assumption that I was restricting this line of thought to people who are being arrested or served? I'm talking about ALL cop interactions with the public.


So you're claiming cops aren't for the most part polite and respectful in most situations? And you claim this after you've already admitted in this thread the very limited instances you've personally encountered what you consider a "bad" cop?

I'm sorry, but get the frick out. Just about every dealing I've ever had with police, be it a ticket, reporting a stolen car, being arrested for a bench warrant , the officers I've death with have been mostly polite and respectful while exercising what I would consider an appropriate amount of authority. Only once have I had a cop be an a-hole, and it was dealt with by the ADA when I ha to go to court for it and cost me nothing but an hour.

So in my experience, cops for the most part do well in performing their jobs. Of course, I'm not some disrespectful douce bag like this student.






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BTHog
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Ok, but you can't ignore the consequences of unnecessarily being that way. If a cop was ordering me around like a dick b/c he was trying to deal with some sort of urgent situation, that would be fine.

When a cop rolls up on me (in my van, with 3 kids in the back) and treats me like dog shite b/c I'm parked in the 1/4 mile long fire lane at Wal-Mart for five minutes waiting on someone, he may be within his rights and mine might not be violated, but that's hardly going to engender trust and cooperation.

My experience is that whatever the reason for the encounter, cops often have a tendency to treat you as sub-human. Again, given the nature of police work, that's understandable in extreme situations but not otherwise.


Okay, but what you fail to appreciate is that the traffic stop is actually the most dangerous duty a cop can make. You don't know who is in that car, and you don't know what people are going to do.

And kids aren't a reason for cops to feel safe either. I've seen women with kids in their arms charge a cop with a knife. Now granted I mostly dealt with meth heads and 99% of the people sitting in a fire lane at Wal Mart aren't going to behave like that, but the cop doesn't know that until he's already involved, and by then it may be too late if he hasn't exercised due diligence.

Now if he's up there cursing you out in front of your kids and shit, that's different and I don't defend that kind of behavior. But if he's just trying to do his job as safely as possible for all involved then he needs to do what he needs to do.







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4. When there is reason to believe that a violation of university policy is taking place in the room and occupants in the room do not open the door when requested to do so.


Which was likely met.

The cops did their job, the kid acted like a douche. I didn't see how the cops were being dicks.






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So you're claiming cops aren't for the most part polite and respectful in most situations?


not if they're under 25, or a minority






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BTHog
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So you're claiming cops aren't for the most part polite and respectful in most situations?



not if they're under 25, or a minority




what do you have against young black cops?






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