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accnodefense
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| Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:28 pm)
It's funny watching the left twist themselves into a knot over these two issues.
When it comes to marijuana, the left gets all federalist and says its a state issue.
When it comes to immigration, the left takes a dump all over states rights and says that its a federal issue.
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ProjectP2294 
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:37 pm to accnodefense)
Is "the left" some monolithic creature that actually believes what you purport, or are you just saying that to make some sort of argument?
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mograyback 
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:37 pm to accnodefense)
You're so right man.
Those damn socialists libs. Damn them.
This post was edited on 12/10 at 1:39 pm
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RogerTheShrubber 
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:44 pm to accnodefense)
I would like to hear some of the people who bitch about States Rights pitch in on this one.
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kingbob
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:45 pm to accnodefense)
Actually, immigration is a federal issue due to the fact that authority over immigration at the federal level is explicitly written in the Constitution.
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sabes que
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:48 pm to accnodefense)
Do the people from the right not do the same thing but the other way around?
states rights-immigration
federal-marijuana
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just sayin
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mograyback
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:49 pm to kingbob)
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Actually, immigration is a federal issue due to the fact that authority over immigration at the federal level is explicitly written in the Constitution.
This.
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buddhavista
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:53 pm to accnodefense)
same can be said the other way around.
Immigration is a states right issue, cannabis is a fed issue.
Hypocrites on both sides.
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SilverSpurs13
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:57 pm to accnodefense)
I don't really give a frick who takes up either of those issues. But I do want to live in a place where I have the freedom to smoke cannabis.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:10 pm to buddhavista)
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same can be said the other way around.
Immigration is a states right issue, cannabis is a fed issue.
Hypocrites on both sides.
Yeah, immigration really isn't a state issue IMO, but I still want to hear from those who bash "states rights" on this cannabis issue.
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BugAC
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:13 pm to mograyback)
Here is some more left hypocrisy.
"I can do what i want with my body. Government has no right to tell me i can't get an abortion!"
"Government has a responsibility to tax soda's, corn syrup, fatty foods, because Obesity is a problem in America!"
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:21 pm to accnodefense)
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Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE!
How is this inconsistent? I don't think it's inconsistent. Further, I think it's accurate.
And I am what I would consider quite republican.
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Scruffy 
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:22 pm to Putty)
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How is this inconsistent? I don't think it's inconsistent. Further, I think it's accurate.
It is accurate. Immigration is outlined in the constitution, is it not?
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Putty
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:26 pm to Scruffy)
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Immigration is outlined in the constitution, is it not?
Yes and no. However, conceptually, I think immigration is clearly a federal issue. Conversely, I think legalization of marijuana fits squarely within states' police powers.
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The Constitution never uses the word immigration, so how is it that the rules for immigrants, and quotas for countries, are set by the federal government and not by the state governments? After all, as the 10th Amendment states, are the powers not delegated to the United States held by the states, or the people?
The Supreme Court has ruled that the Congressional power to regulate naturalization, from Article 1, Section 8, includes the power to regulate immigration (see, for example, Hampton v. Mow Sun Wong, 426 U.S. 88 [1976]). It would not make sense to allow Congress to pass laws to determine how an immigrant becomes a naturalized resident if the Congress cannot determine how, or even if, that immigrant can come into the country in the first place. Just because the Constitution lacks the word immigration does not mean that it lacks the concept of immigration.
There is also an argument that immigration is an implied power of any sovereign nation, and as such, the federal government has the power to regulate immigration because the United States is a sovereign nation. While it is true that the United States is a sovereign nation, and it may be true that all sovereign nations have some powers inherent in that status, it is not necessary to determine if immigration is such a power that does not even require constitutional mention, because the Naturalization Clause handles the power.
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mmcgrath
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:36 pm to accnodefense)
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It's funny watching the left twist themselves into a knot over these two issues.
When it comes to marijuana, the left gets all federalist and says its a state issue.
When it comes to immigration, the left takes a dump all over states rights and says that its a federal issue.
I think the problem is that you take every freaking issue and put one side on the "left" and another on the "right". Just because you blindly follow everything on the one side (maybe you are right handed?) doesn't mean that everyone else sees it that way. Believe it or not, marijuana gets support from both sides of the aisle.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:46 pm to mmcgrath)
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. Believe it or not, marijuana gets support from both sides of the aisle.
States rights...doesn't.
We have had some vocal opponents post here, just would like to hear their opinion.
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:57 pm to kingbob)
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Actually, immigration is a federal issue due to the fact that authority over immigration at the federal level is explicitly written in the Constitution.
Exactly. Most of the griping about immigration is the complete failure of the executive to enforce the law and their insistence on suing anyone who attempts to do so. There would be no conflict between states and the feds on immigration if the federal government would fulfill it's obligation to enforce the law.
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KeyserSoze999
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
I'm conservative, pro-med-mj, anti-abortion
but believe the states should have the right to vote on either and much more and the fed should GTF out. I'd like to think that is the pro-freedom stance.
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:16 pm to accnodefense)
Wow!!
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Jbird 
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| re: Marijauna = STATES RIGHTS! GET OUT FED! Immigration = FEDERAL ISSUE! (Posted on 12/10/12 at 6:21 pm to accnodefense)
Too funny the dumb bastards loved the Fed fricking states, now when their weed might get taken away via fed powers OHNOZ the states rights are getting trampled on! Stupid bastards hope they tax the frick out of them post negotiations. 
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