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Jester
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Look at how the polls are administered and the sample sizes. Then think about who the websites attract. It's easy to say it just get, you know, everybody.

Untrue.


Discredit all you want. They asked SPORTS FANS IN LOUISIANA! ESPN's demographic is sports fans. The Hornets demographic is sports fans.

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This is not being disingenuous. This is understanding how data is gathered, processed, and analyzed.


I disagree. Totally discrediting the polls is disingenuous, and that's what you are trying to do.

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The unscientific poll might be right, just like the person who always says "heads" might be right when I ask him what side landed face-up when I flipped a coin. That answer, even if right, contains no information. These polls are not nearly as extreme as that, but this is far from being clearly coupled to the signal.


What? I repeat...WHAT? That's apples and turnips. A coin flip is a mere matter of chance. A poll is a gathering of opinions. I can't think of a much worse analogy.

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Additionally, these things tend to be time-varying. People react poorly to many kinds of change at first, then the reaction subsides to a degree.

When did you get your PhD in Sociology, again? Was that part of your thesis?

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The long-term effect is much more important for a rebrand.


You mean information that is 100% unavailable at the present. Yeah, we should ignore tangible reaction for what MAY become a reaction in 15 years.

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These polls, therefore, contain less of the actual relevant information than they do of the short term, more irrelevant information.


They contain 143 billion times more relevant information than talking about what may be in 15 years. I made up that 143 billion because there is no way for you to disprove it.








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Jester
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If the majority liked the name I would still dislike it because the name is not appealing to me.








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TigerinATL
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hose are the people that are sniping at people for having a differing opinion


No one is sniping at people with different opinions, they are sniping at Jester for being his usual contrarian, scorched earth self. I don't think anyone here is pro Pelicans as much as they've talked themselves into accepting the inevitable and are encouraging others to do the same.






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Jester
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No one is sniping at people with different opinions


This is just not true.

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they are sniping at Jester for being his usual contrarian, scorched earth self.


Sorry, but I'm not being a contrarian . I genuinely do not like the name and it has absolutely nothing to do with anyone else's opinion. I just think it is extremely lame.

Furthermore, a "contrarian" opposes the majority view. Based on all data that I have seen, those who like the name and are defending it so vociferously are opposed the majority and are more accurately described as contrarians.




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Jumbeauxlaya
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tehchampion140



Looks pretty universal to me.






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Jumbeauxlaya
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The backlash is partially knee-jerk reactions near the moment of discovery.

After a couple of days, there's been far less or that. That's not really a reaction.

Plus, it's not like people who are moderately pleased run naked down the street screaming, "I've got not problem with that!"

This idea that listening to the loudest screams equates to a true measurement of opinion should be discarded. See how many people are going out of their way 1 week from the `announcement'.

Or, notice how many people are not complaining about the colors at the moment like they were a week ago.

This is the long play, and Benson has been thinking about this for a number of years, at least about the Pelicans brand. A night of "lawdy lawdy!" isn't going to affect the course.



This is a stupid arse argument, everything gets more attention immediately after being released. I'm not still running around saying SAINTS ARE THE BEST WE WON THE SUPERBOWL from two years ago.






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Jumbeauxlaya
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Pelicans takes a while to sit and digest. I never really gave a shite about "the masses" thoughts. Usually the masses are fricking ignorant. If you think its not fierce enough, cool enough, or local enough, then i pity your thoughts. Its a great name and I think would work out wonderfully given some time just like any name needs. New York Knickenbockers... oh man thats the best in the world... and its not great name just cause it had the ability to be shortened cause there's nothin cool about the word knick in and of itself.



Damn you people are dumb, the masses are the consumer of your product.

Oh, just noticed who I am replying to, continue on trolling sir.






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Jumbeauxlaya
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its kind of like highschool when all the cool kids end up unemployed and living in a trailer. that's what happens with the "cool" branding ideas.



Yep, I hear apple is doing pretty poorly as well with their "cool branding"






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Chad504boy
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continue on trolling sir.



cause i'm in support (pun intended) of Pelicans... its trolling. That's gay.

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Damn you people are dumb, the masses are the consumer of your product.


that statement is not factually correct.






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Just put a winner on the court. You can call them the New Orleans a-holes.





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I didn't get it in sociology; I got in it mathematics, and I know a thing or two about data. And if someone needs a Ph.D in X to discuss X, then why are you still typing?

I suggest

Watson, Goodwin. American Behavioral Scientist, 1971, Vol.14(5), pp.745-766

to start. It didn't take long to track down.

An excerpt: "Sometimes a new educational practice arouses much resistance. After it has been established, perhaps with some persuasion and coercion, it becomes as resistant to change as was its predecessor. The familiar is preferred."

Clearly, this little paragraph, nor any single paragraph or paper, does not address everything here, but it does show that someone with a Ph.D. thinks that resistance to change erodes over time.

You can choose to check what I'm saying if you disagree with it or just claim it's not true without basis. I know you really believe what you are saying, and I really believe what I'm saying (so I'm not being disingenuous).

You can consider what I'm saying and taking the time to type out to you or not. That's up to you. Others have the same option.

Time will judge if Pelicans comes to pass.






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Jester
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that statement is not factually correct.


How so? Was he supposed to say "potential consumers?" I guess that's more accurate, because "the masses" don't seem like they'll be eager to buy any gear.






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Chad504boy
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How so? Was he supposed to say "potential consumers?" I guess that's more accurate, because "the masses" don't seem like they'll be eager to buy any gear.



Listen, if you're so smart you can figure out why it was not a factually accurate statement. I don't feel its my obligation to share that information with you if i'm the dumb one here.






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This is a stupid arse argument, everything gets more attention immediately after being released. I'm not still running around saying SAINTS ARE THE BEST WE WON THE SUPERBOWL from two years ago.


The discussion wasn't about attention. The statement was about the negative reaction. Some things have negative reactions that do not fade, say, to murder. People don't just `get behind' murder.

However, to changes like changes in a team's name, the reaction tends to fade. As a result, people quit discussing it, sure. As you point out, there are other reasons not to continue to repeat the same thing over and over again, and failure to stop talking does not mean the reaction has lessened or not. therefore, the `attention' is irrelevant.

The long-term reaction to this change that is stable (the Saints being `the current champ' is not a stable condition) is what is important to the branding and the short term reaction does not necessarily reflect the long term reaction to it.






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Jester
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resistance to change erodes over time.



All these years later and people still say "The Lakers" is a terrible name. It doesn't suddenly make the name good. It just makes people care less that it sucks.






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Jumbeauxlaya
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cause i'm in support (pun intended) of Pelicans... its trolling. That's gay.



no... plenty of people are "just supporting the name"

you put forth utterly ridiculous statements attempting to get a rise out of the other side, like always.






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Jester
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Listen, if you're so smart you can figure out why it was not a factually accurate statement. I don't feel its my obligation to share that information with you if i'm the dumb one here.


This is what happens when a person can't support his argument. Ladies and gentleman, I give you Chad.






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Jester
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attempting to get a rise out of the other side


I think you're giving him too much credit.






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Chad504boy
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This is what happens when a person can't support his argument. Ladies and gentleman, I give you Chad.



You've dug yourself in a hole and i'm not giving you my fricking rope ladder to get out bitch. fricking lay down and die.






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