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Do you believe in LSU Exceptionalism?
Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:46 pm
It seems like the debate over a successful coach and a successful season come down to whether or not you believe in LSU Exceptionalism. If you feel that the Louisiana football culture and resources are equal to or below other SEC teams, and finishing at the top half of the pack with our fair share of championships is a realistic goal, then you are more than likely satisfied with the status quo.
On the other hand, if you feel like Louisiana has a superior high school football system, with better talent than the rest of the country and that having only one major state university competing for that talent, gives us a distinct advantage over any other SEC football program, you are probably not satisfied with anything but championship seasons.
My opinion is that we do have a slight advantage with just a single major state university, but other states such as Florida and Texas have similar high school talent and LSU has done slightly better than should be expected, in recent years.
On the other hand, if you feel like Louisiana has a superior high school football system, with better talent than the rest of the country and that having only one major state university competing for that talent, gives us a distinct advantage over any other SEC football program, you are probably not satisfied with anything but championship seasons.
My opinion is that we do have a slight advantage with just a single major state university, but other states such as Florida and Texas have similar high school talent and LSU has done slightly better than should be expected, in recent years.
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 2:51 pm
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Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:47 pm to tigbit
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I think there is no reason why we should be inherently any better than Texas, OU, USC, Alabama, Tennessee, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc, etc.
And yet we do better than most of the most prestigious programs in college football on a yearly basis. Just because we dont win a championship, doesnt mean we are a failure. Just because weve never had a dynasty doesnt mean we are a failure.
Im fine with 1 NC every 10 years. Heck, that would mean we are at worst a top 10 program. Weve had 2 in the last 10. If we get another by 2020, ill be happy. I'd argue that being a top 5 program is overachieving, while being top 10 is just right where we should be.
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I think there is no reason why we should be inherently any better than Texas, OU, USC, Alabama, Tennessee, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc, etc.
And yet we do better than most of the most prestigious programs in college football on a yearly basis. Just because we dont win a championship, doesnt mean we are a failure. Just because weve never had a dynasty doesnt mean we are a failure.
Im fine with 1 NC every 10 years. Heck, that would mean we are at worst a top 10 program. Weve had 2 in the last 10. If we get another by 2020, ill be happy. I'd argue that being a top 5 program is overachieving, while being top 10 is just right where we should be.
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:49 pm to tigbit
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you are probably not satisfied with anything but championship seasons
High expectations is one thing. Completely unrealistic expectations is another.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 3:07 pm to DollaChoppa
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DollaChoppa
I agree with you on this. But, I have talked to fans who say "this is Louisi-f*n-ana, and we have the best talent in the country and any coach could finish in the top ten. We should be racking up championships."
Posted on 12/6/12 at 6:49 pm to tigbit
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Posted on 12/6/12 at 7:00 pm to SG_Geaux
Lack of talent at QB for such a long time and an unimaginative offensive playbook is the biggest problem since Miles took over from Sabin.
The talent scouting by Miles' coaching staff has been exceptional. Now that talent at QB appers to be improving, all we need is a few better offensive schemes to maximize our talent on offense.
The talent scouting by Miles' coaching staff has been exceptional. Now that talent at QB appers to be improving, all we need is a few better offensive schemes to maximize our talent on offense.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 7:05 pm to TigerDice
As much as I love LSU, and LSU football, no need to get a knot in the tampon, because it's just a game. Ya'll see how much $ Texas made on football this year? They still suck.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 7:23 pm to tigbit
Tulane will become what it once was IMO. When we had a hard time recruiting against them we were not as dominant.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 7:55 pm to Jaketigger
You are such a fricking troll.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 6:15 pm to wahootiger
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wahootiger Do you believe in LSU Exceptionalism? You are such a fricking troll.
First and foremost I hate Tulane And every thing it represents. If you are under 35 you probably have no clue.
With that said lets look at the facts :
They have a head coach from New Orleans who coached on a nfl team with one if the most prolific offenses in the history of the nfl.
He was on staff at Miami when they last won and coached at San Diego state and Marshall Faulk
He is establishing a recruiting base in New Orleans including some op walker kids and all of the Curtis kids.
He has been solid everywhere he has been.
They moved to an automatic qualifying conference.
If you believe it will not effect lsu recruiting in New Orleans you are a fool.
And he is African American at a school with an excellent reputation for academics.
This post was edited on 12/7/12 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 12/7/12 at 6:20 pm to tigbit
We have enough built in advantages to finish at or near the top of the SEC in most years, with the right coach. We're not head and shoulders above everybody else in the country. We still need things to fall our way. If anything but an undefeated season and a BCS title is a disappointment to you, you're going to be disappointed more often than not. Bama's going through an amazing string right now, but the wheel will turn sooner rather than later, Injuries, academics, funny ball bounces, and they'll be wondering why they can't get over the hump like they used to. That's football.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 7:19 pm to tigbit
mn,
Posted on 12/7/12 at 7:55 pm to tigbit
I have no idea what Exceptionalism means to a college football team. It's a game playd by young men not a plan for world domination. We've done well and I'm happy with our success this decade.
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