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Surprise. Black school districts in Miss. spend more $$, waste more $$, and fail



I reviewed the report cards for all public school districts in Mississippi. The rich white suburban school districts have better grades because they have more money and all that jazz, right? Wrong. They actually spend less money per student, have a higher percentage of teachers as a share of their workforce, and do much better.

The black districts blow money left and right. Some districts have teacher/employee ratios of 31 and 38%. When you compare the the districts that are >80% black v. the ones that are >80% white, it gets much worse. The black ones spend $2,000 more per student. Most of them are either rated D or F by the state. Ouch.

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Parenting, or rather lack thereof !





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Does it break down what they spend on? A lot of those really poor districts spend on breakfast, lunch and supper for 90% of kids. Not that this justifies it, but wondering if all the money is being spent the same way.





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total spending per student includes federal, state, local.







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Parenting, or rather lack thereof !






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you said "rich" in addition to "white" so I'm wondering which plays a bigger role (since you didn't just say "white" districts)? Do you think it's a function of race or socioeconomic status or both? Are the black districts also generally "poor" (again, compared your reference to both rich and white to describe one group of campus types)?


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That is why I also looked at number of teachers hired v. number of employees for a district. I agree about the poverty but there are quite a few poor white people in MIssissippi as well. Oddly enough the whiter the district, the less money it spent per student. Read the post. I point out how many districts spend over $10,000 per student. What was criminal was seeing districts have a teacher/employee ratio in the 30's. Think about that. Districts that a third of the employees are teachers. That is not a rich/poor problem, that is a management problem.

One district is 284 or so people. D grade. 31% teachers. Spends 15,000 per student. And the Super makes $112,000 per year.






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Parenting, or rather lack thereof !

Aint that the truth.

A good support system (I think that's the term used in ed. academia) is everything.






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it has nothing to do with economics. Economics are a symptom not a disease. Lack of parenting is what causes lack of performance in schools. Lack of performance in schools leads to poor economic situations. The economics and demographics are a correlation, not a causation. It's the parents (or lack thereof), stupid!





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THere are counties in Ms such as Tallahatchie that have unwed birth rates of 87%. That means kids coming to school with no home training, no basic education.





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prplhze2000
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You are right to some degree.

But when you see high performing white districts that have 58% teacher/employee ratios and low performing black ones that are 38-40%, that is a management problem.






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Aint that the truth. A good support system (I think that's the term used in ed. academia) is everything.


Very true. If I am not mistaken, in the early 1960s the marriage ratio among blacks was higher than among whites.

Since that time, for (I am sure) a number of reasons, the marriage rate has drastically declined and the illegitimacy rate has skyrocketed (above 70% the last time I saw the numbers).

Different topic for a different day, but I would love to hear the progressive answer to these problems and the democrat reasons as to why it is the fault of the republicans.



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A good support system (I think that's the term used in ed. academia) is everything.


Which is why throwing money at the problem isn't always the answer.







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it has nothing to do with economics. Economics are a symptom not a disease. Lack of parenting is what causes lack of performance in schools. Lack of performance in schools leads to poor economic situations. The economics and demographics are a correlation, not a causation. It's the parents (or lack thereof), stupid!
As a public school teacher in a minority school (90%+ black) I concur. My students who have parents who care outperform the ones whose parents don't care. It doesn't take money to love your kids. It doesn't take money to demand respect from your kids.






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Parenting, or rather lack thereof !


Yes, cognitively deficient parents could be better parents and make scholars of their cognitively deficient spawn if only they worked harder and more diligently.







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As a public school teacher in a minority school (90%+ black) I concur.


and when I was teaching in one of our capital's toughest, inner city schools I'd say that economics are certainly a factor.

Economics isn't either a causation or a correlation. It can be both, depending on how you talk about it.

No, it doesn't take money to love a kid and nurture learning. But it does take money to provide technology or resources or physical structures (and upkeep) and transportation and nutrition and safety and such that also impact student engagement and achievement.

But it's not the only factor. There are poor kids who do well and rich kids who perform poorly.

I think economics definitely plays a role. It's not the sole determinant, but it contributes.

I've been on campuses that are challenging and poor and underachieving and on campuses that, for example, are all boys boarding institutions whose alum refer to themselves as the "Old Boys" that spend 30-50k per year to attend.

The differences between the two places and what they can offer students is stark in the differences. And that doesn't mean that there aren't flunkies among the Old Boys or that it's impossible to succeed in tougher schools. But it also doesn't mean that money and resources don't play a role.



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I'm not disputing you one bit. I'm just looking more at the management of the districts.





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Well that's just common sense. I have an ex GF who had just graduated and started teaching at a mostly black public school. (she was white and literally cried after work everyday they made her life miserable).

The school was corrupt as shite...they constantly asked for Gov't money but never spent it on books or anything to improve the quality of the kids' education. Hell they made her buy her own paper for the copier to print off her work. Most of the money went into the pockets of the supervisors, principles, dean, etc.

Add that to the fact most of the kids didn't have good parenting, and that isn't a recipe for success. Basically from top to bottom none of them give a shite.






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It is a management problem and nothing is going to change. The Superintendents have too much Lobby and voting power and don’t give a shite about the kids. It’s all about the money.





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