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re: Boston Red Sox sign C/1B/DH Mike Napoli to three year deal
Posted on 12/3/12 at 2:56 pm to TigerBait2008
Posted on 12/3/12 at 2:56 pm to TigerBait2008
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yes they did at 13 Mill per..
Wrong. The non-tendered him. They could have offered him one year at $13.1 per, but they didn't.
They weren't going to go past two years on any contract.
They offered him 3 years/$38 million before last season. He turned it down thinking he could make more. This is basically the same contract he got.
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Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:00 pm to LSUCreole
Seems like they paid 2-3M more per year to avoid a 4th year, which is a good idea, especially for the Sox. Was surprised that the past two years Napoli hit better away from Texas.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:00 pm to BigBoyTiger
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He's not really a catcher
Ok you win!!! He sucks!
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:02 pm to LSUCreole
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They overpaid sure but this is no Crawford deal we're talking about
Yeah, it's only 3 years. It's really not a bad deal at all. They really didn't overpay too bad compared to some of the other contracts 1Bs are getting (and some catchers, to an extent).
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since 2010, Napoli owns the seventh-highest OPS (.875) among players with at least 125 games at first base, just ahead of Lance Berkman, and well ahead of All-Stars Mark Teixeira (.831), Ryan Howard (.822) and Justin Morneau (.814).
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Extend the sample back to 2008, and Napoli’s still in the top 10, with his .879 OPS ninth overall, just behind Teixeira’s .883, ahead of standouts like Paul Konerko (.877), Howard (.862), and Adam Dunn (.830), and within shouting distance of Gonzalez.
And those numbers come from him enduring the rigors of catching.
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Finally, the Red Sox are trying to tailor a club to Fenway and take advantage of the park’s dimensions. It’s part of why they signed right-handed masher Jonny Gomes, it’s part of why Cody Ross paid off so handsomely last year, and it definitely didn’t hurt Napoli’s cause.
Napoli owns nine homers in 86 lifetime plate appearances at Fenway (including postseason), and when he hits them, he tends not to get cheated, a la Ross.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:09 pm to GynoSandberg
I really like Napoli, and he's a better defensive catcher than he gets credit for. He's not going to win a Gold Glove, but he's not the horrorshow some insist that he is.
But he's a pretty one-dimensional player who is getting $13 million per season. That's a lot for a guy who will hit 30 bombs, walk a lot, and do little else. He's also about to be 31 and he's only once topped 400 AB's in a season. Fat sluggers tend to age poorly, and Napoli's been a regular on the DL. I think it's entirely possible he doesn't clear 1000 AB's in the next three years.
I love Nap, but he's a fragile player who has the dreaded "old man" skills. It's a worthwhile risk if your the Sox and you have more money than God, but the Rangers were right to let him walk.
But he's a pretty one-dimensional player who is getting $13 million per season. That's a lot for a guy who will hit 30 bombs, walk a lot, and do little else. He's also about to be 31 and he's only once topped 400 AB's in a season. Fat sluggers tend to age poorly, and Napoli's been a regular on the DL. I think it's entirely possible he doesn't clear 1000 AB's in the next three years.
I love Nap, but he's a fragile player who has the dreaded "old man" skills. It's a worthwhile risk if your the Sox and you have more money than God, but the Rangers were right to let him walk.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:21 pm to Baloo
His ABs were always limited because he platooned in LAA and never really had a position. in TX they had so many options. That's why he never saw more at bats.
I wouldn't call him injury prone.
31's not that old either.
I wouldn't call him injury prone.
31's not that old either.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:22 pm to Lester Earl
either way it didn't make sense for the rangers. Daniels knows what he's doing
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:25 pm to Baloo
Fair assessment, though he is usually under 400 ABs due to the reluctance of his managers to play him everyday. More so responsible for his AB totals his injuries.
Maybe. Lose Nap. Lose Hamilton. Gain Geo Soto. Another year of Mike Young. Another year of Nelson Cruz (epitome of fat, aging, constantly hurt slugger). Couple that with breaking in 2 rookies and underwhelming staff and this year could get ugly.
They better open the checkbook for someone
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Rangers were right to let him walk.
Maybe. Lose Nap. Lose Hamilton. Gain Geo Soto. Another year of Mike Young. Another year of Nelson Cruz (epitome of fat, aging, constantly hurt slugger). Couple that with breaking in 2 rookies and underwhelming staff and this year could get ugly.
They better open the checkbook for someone
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:26 pm to WinnPtiger
It didn't. Like I said the reason napoli a ABs were so limited because they have better catchers, they have other DHs, lefthanded hitting 1B...for a team with ample power he's really not needed. Though he produced, he was never able to get a full allotment of at bats. It wasn't because he was hurt really
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:31 pm to Lester Earl
I don't agree that he was injury prone, I'm saying for that amount of money it didn't make sense. especially when we can take that and go after a persynski(sp?) or mauer
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:33 pm to WinnPtiger
Pierzynski is going to cost like $10mil a year 
Adam LaRoche seems more likely
Adam LaRoche seems more likely
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:36 pm to GynoSandberg
so that instantly saves 9 mil
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:37 pm to GynoSandberg
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They better open the checkbook for someone
I agree on that.
But look at Napoli's comps. His two most similar players are Matt Nokes and Chris Hoiles. I don't really see the Nokes comp, so let's stick with Hoiles, which is a pretty fair comp.
Hoiles was done at age 33. His last 20 HR season was his age 31 season. If everything breaks right, the Red Sox get late career Mickey Tettleton, who hit 243/387/476 with an avg of 27 HR and 460 AB in his age 31-33 seasons. It could happen. But I wouldn't bet $13 million on it. And that's likely the best case scenario.
Fat sluggers tend to age poorly, more than any other type of player except high-average, no-walk speedsters. They don't age gracefully. They fall off cliffs, generally.
ETA: Napoli went on the DL each of his two seasons in Texas. A guy goes on the DL in back-to-back years, I tend to think that makes him injury prone.
This post was edited on 12/3/12 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:44 pm to Baloo
I always thought Napoli was more jacked than fat. Kind of like a mix of Dan Uggla and Jason Giambi. He's going to play 1B and DH for the most part. That should help buy him a few more years in the league.
And I haven't heard Matt Nokes name in a long time
And I haven't heard Matt Nokes name in a long time
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:00 pm to Baloo
I agree with like, 95% of what Baloo has said.
Only thing I disagree with is Texas needing to open the checkbook. This FA market seems saturated with guys that will get big deals simply due to being "best available" rather than "one of the best". Swisher isn't a $17-million outfielder. BJ Upton was probably the #2 OF in this class and he's a classic example of "well we're getting a hell of a deal if he lives up to his potential!"
Texas has a solid farm. They've been pretty successful the last 3 years. Take a few hits this year and build from there. No need to be hasty when you have a pretty solid foundation.
Only thing I disagree with is Texas needing to open the checkbook. This FA market seems saturated with guys that will get big deals simply due to being "best available" rather than "one of the best". Swisher isn't a $17-million outfielder. BJ Upton was probably the #2 OF in this class and he's a classic example of "well we're getting a hell of a deal if he lives up to his potential!"
Texas has a solid farm. They've been pretty successful the last 3 years. Take a few hits this year and build from there. No need to be hasty when you have a pretty solid foundation.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:11 pm to Srbtiger06
That's what they should do.
Perizynski, Laroche, Greinke, Hamilton are all FAs they are rumored to be looking at. All will cost $$$$ and all are on the wrong side of 30, save Greinke (29).
I've also seen Jupton and James Shields rumored in deals that will certainly hit their farm system.
ETA- they just inked Joakim Soria to a 2 year deal
Perizynski, Laroche, Greinke, Hamilton are all FAs they are rumored to be looking at. All will cost $$$$ and all are on the wrong side of 30, save Greinke (29).
I've also seen Jupton and James Shields rumored in deals that will certainly hit their farm system.
ETA- they just inked Joakim Soria to a 2 year deal
This post was edited on 12/3/12 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:23 pm to GynoSandberg
Yeah, if I'm the Rangers, I throw serious coin at Greinke, since you really need an ace. Then flip Andrus for Upton in a trade that benefits both teams. Then put Profar in at short and tell him to swim. Install Olt as the 1B/OF. You still need another bat, but I agree, you don't sign Swisher because he's there.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:25 pm to GynoSandberg
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And I haven't heard Matt Nokes name in a long time
Yeah, when he popped up as Nap's most similar player on b-ref, I did a double take. That just doesn't fit. Nokes was an ugly, ugly dude. That's not relevant, but I wanted to mention it.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:33 pm to Baloo
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ETA: Napoli went on the DL each of his two seasons in Texas. A guy goes on the DL in back-to-back years, I tend to think that makes him injury prone.
Really hmm
My guess is he has 3 or 4xs more games missed healthy than he does on the DL since 2009 or so
This post was edited on 12/3/12 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:39 pm to Lester Earl
Even when not on the DL, he was hurt most of last season. He had nagging injuries throughout the year.
But let's throw out his injuries over the past two years, as if that's not a red flag. Then he's only getting 400 AB because he's a platoon player. And you think it's a good idea to give a platoon player $13 million per year and make him a regular?
But let's throw out his injuries over the past two years, as if that's not a red flag. Then he's only getting 400 AB because he's a platoon player. And you think it's a good idea to give a platoon player $13 million per year and make him a regular?
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