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The usual progressive suspects of the board are not interesting in playing?





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crickets...





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The goal keeps progressing. Once gay marriage and universal healthcare are achieved then new progressives will pop up with new agendas.





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then new progressives will pop up with new agendas.


Such as?






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A one party political system where they can do whatever they want whenever they want.





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Their goal is very simple.

It is slavery, with those in power the slave masters. Progressives believe only they are intelligent enough to rule everyone.

Cooperation is not required in their world, only submission to the whims of the state.






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What are progressives progressing towards? One would have to believe government being the arbitrator of everything given what we are seeing currently.

Is there any aspect or component of government that has not grown or become more influential under Obama? The same question could be asked of Bush.

If you are progressively trying to make a system better, it seems that everything should be on the table. In the government setting, that should be elimination of government as well it would appear in certain areas.

It seems that you are progressing towards that which is best, which works best, which statistically is the best. However, that does not seem to be the case.

Is progressive liberal just a code for wanna be communist?






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Such as?


I don't know, man. Lefty stuff.






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What Is The Ultimate Goal Of Progressivism In US Politics?


This is a new topic on this board. This thread will inspire a great, reasonable discussion.






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Obamas fiscal cliff deal wants a gutted military and more people without a job dependent on government. So when the monopoly money no longer flies they can go to containment camps and Obama can go to his Hawaii beach mansion.





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UGATiger26
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As such, what is the ultimately end result, if any, of progressivism?


This is the first question I ask when having any political conversation with a progressive. They will almost always say something right off the bat about solving social injustice, so I ask:

"What would you need to see that would make you say 'social injustice has been solved?'"

The answers are always fun to listen to.






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Antonio Moss
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The label progressivism is counter-intuitive. The goal is to revert civilization back to oligarchianism from republicanism which had defined Western Civilization since the late 1700s.





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The label progressivism is counter-intuitive.


I agree,hence the reasons for the questions. If in its purest form progressivism seeks to make things better with newly acquired knowledge, it would seem logical that the answers to the questions would not always involve more government, but would at times involve less government.

As to "fairness"...just like "terrorism", it is vested in the eye of the beholder. There are some things that everyone can agree is fair.

What is fair about a person that works hard, invests money and takes great risks to become a top earner having to give away nearly half of it to pay for an incredibly inefficient government system?

What is fair about institutionalized racism in the form of affirmative action?

What is fair about the government's ability to read my emails or monitor my movements without a warrant or probable cause?

I don't buy the fairness argument of progressives because you cannot legislate fairness as it is subjective as many times as objective...what is fair to one is not fair to another.






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I don't buy the fairness argument of progressives because you cannot legislate fairness as it is subjective as many times as objective...what is fair to one is not fair to another.


Progressivism has never been about "fairness," it's about control.






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We want it all baby!!!!





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1. Collectivization (forcefully, if necessary) of the means of production.

2. Elevation of the proletariat, and dismantling of the wealthy class (they will effectively be replaced by the upper echelon of government officials)

3. Distribution of the collectivized assets thusly - "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

This works in every nation where it has been tried. It eliminates crime, hunger, poverty, homelessness, mental disease, war, acne and social awkwardness. Everyone works towards common goals and objectives, typically according to a grand 5-year plan.

As everyone's needs are taken care of, rather than being paid according to individual talent or productivity, everyone is 100% productive, 100% of the time. Effectively, human nature doesn't apply in such a utopia.






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The biggest issue with the current progressive movement is that 99% of its members are completely ignorant of the history, application, goals, and likely consequences of progressivism.





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Progressives want irresponsibility with no consequnces. Full government reliance if you don't want to work. Free birth control if you want to have sex. Universal health care if you can't afford insurance. Make the responsible people who work pay your bills.

I don't think there is an end result to progressivism. It's just a term to sell the idea to voters.






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So, by its very nature, progressivism moves forward continually (hence the Obama and MSNBC slogan). It advocates social, economic and political reform as being the norm. It favors constant change.


But why do they change? Because "Progressivism" is merely a collection of self-identified "under-represented," and "do-gooders," whose goal is constantly change dynamics depending on their small, invidual emotional needs. Fairness comes from the "equality" of outcomes of all different subgroups.

In some form, this has manifested itself as singular, and large under-represented classes of people (see real socialist regimes), or as a collective of multiple groups parading one another's banner in a fake spirit of brotherhood (the modern Democratic party).

Progressive constantly changes because someone is always "under-represented." Whether or not that is their goal, to keep someone under-represented, remains to be seen.

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As such, what is the ultimately end result, if any, of progressivism?


To never settle and always fight for the next in line.

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Also,if the movement is predicated on constant change, can it be rooted in any core beliefs that are unchanging?


I honestly believe that their core belief is equality, the problem with it is how they pursue it and how their ideas manifest into terribly inefficient ideas.

I also believe that the core belief in the "under-represented," reinforces the very thing that they think they fight for: equality.

It creates: Those who can do the helping, and those who need the helping, and keeps it that way. Sometimes, this ends up as, well communism, with those exploiting their "helping," maliciously under the ruse of equality. Where is the power concentrated?

Other times, this is just the mislead, genius academic who constantly see a need for "help," and "good works," aloof to the actual implications of his beliefs.






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