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What Is The Ultimate Goal Of Progressivism In US Politics?


So, by its very nature, progressivism moves forward continually (hence the Obama and MSNBC slogan). It advocates social, economic and political reform as being the norm. It favors constant change.

As such, what is the ultimately end result, if any, of progressivism?

Also,if the movement is predicated on constant change, can it be rooted in any core beliefs that are unchanging?

To that point, if progressivism is not rooted in any core principle, except for the need to constantly re-evaluate and change, is it not flawed based on the fact that it is only as positive or as wise as the leaders in office at the time implementing the new policies?

Finally, is there wisdom in expansion of government influence and power, or should the progressive policies be actually towards reform in the direction against government growth and influence that we have seen over the last 20 years?



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BeeFense5
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Total reliance on government.





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DeltaDoc
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Total reliance on government.


In many respects, we are already there. Almost half of the country is dependent on the government for their sustainability.

I am asking questions more pointed. Specifically, this could be a communistic state. It could be the elimination of religion. It could be the elimination of freedom of speech if that speech contradicts the prevailing beliefs of the majority, etc.






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Single payer is the largest remaining expansion of the state. I'm not sure the safety net will be expanded significantly beyond that. Budget realities will at some point intervene. Renewable energy is a priority.





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DeltaDoc
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Does progressivism seek to silence opposition or does it view dissent as healthy? In essence, does progressivism support free speech rights of those that disagree with progressives?

Does progressivism support freedom of religion?






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lsu13lsu
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It changes so much. Once they get what they want you would think their usefulness has gone away so they would go away...nope! They love the power too much and find some other cause to fight for. Power and control is their ultimate goal.





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Zed, budget realities haven't been part of any equation so far, hell Obama's offer for the cliff was more spending, more taxes, and no cuts but a offer for a framework for negotiations? I don't believe that fiscal sanity has any room at the table.





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I'm not sure the safety net will be expanded significantly beyond that


Pretty sure it will. The goal would be to provide everyone with a "living wage" which would mean subsidizing some people's income.






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Pretty sure it will. The goal would be to provide everyone with a "living wage" which would mean subsidizing some people's income.


Which is basically buy as many votes as possible then power forever.






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RogerTheShrubber
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Which is basically buy as many votes as possible then power forever.


Just will force both parties to adapt to more dependent people.






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Universal education
student loan forgiveness
increased social safety net






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Zed
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Does progressivism seek to silence opposition or does it view dissent as healthy? In essence, does progressivism support free speech rights of those that disagree with progressives?
"Progressives" in positions of power don't like dissent. The same could be said about conservatives.
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Does progressivism support freedom of religion?
Most on the left are religious, like most on the right. Maybe some elements are hostile to religion, but they're a minority.






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What Is The Ultimate Goal Of Progressivism In US Politics?


Market share. Politics is big business where the status quo is bought and sold. It's full of career politicians, not cause driven leaders. Conservatism/Progressivism are just marketing angles designed to attract voters and campaign donors.






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DeltaDoc
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One more log on the fire: I often hear progressives state that their beliefs are centralized in fairness. If that is the case, who decides what is fair and what places them in the position to determine equity as it relates to individuals? What makes their determination the right determination?

Equity that is not rooted in a core principle is merely subjective in the eyes of the arbitrator, correct?






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DeltaDoc
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Conservatism/Progressivism are just marketing angles designed to attract voters and campaign donors.


I disagree with that. This assumes that there are no core beliefs, only marketing slogans in a world without consequence or meaning.






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Zed
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Pretty sure it will. The goal would be to provide everyone with a "living wage" which would mean subsidizing some people's income.
I'm sure they'd like to do more, I just don't think it will be possible. Interest on the national debt will eat up a bigger and bigger chunk of the budget, ditto healthcare and defense. It's gonna get ugly, and I don't think either party is going to be able to keep piling on shite once it gets real bad. They'll only be able to get single payer done because of exploding healthcare costs.






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DeltaDoc
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I'm sure they'd like to do more, I just don't think it will be possible. Interest on the national debt will eat up a bigger and bigger chunk of the budget, ditto healthcare and defense. It's gonna get ugly, and I don't think either party is going to be able to keep piling on shite once it gets real bad. They'll only be able to get single payer done because of exploding healthcare costs.


When you print your own money, you never run out of money. Debt is no longer an issue for the liberal left. To that point, look at Geitner's proposal last week to congress in which Obama is given a limitless debt ceiling. They don't give s shite about debt for a number of reasons.






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Pretty sure it will. The goal would be to provide everyone with a "living wage" which would mean subsidizing some people's income.


this has been proposed before. I believe the leftist richard nixon proposed it, and so did that fricking communist milton friedman.






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1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form and combination of education with industrial production.






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DeltaDoc
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I'd appreciate the contribution of Rex, A Want, etc. in the thread.





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