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re: Charges Dropped against Minnesota State HC on child porn
Posted on 12/1/12 at 7:14 am to lsuroadie
Posted on 12/1/12 at 7:14 am to lsuroadie
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For frick's sake does anyone have any common sense in that state?
Considering almost every state and federal law requires you to report potential child pornography, they do.
If I open someone's phone and see videos of kids I don't know dancing around, I'm not going to be the one to decide whether or not it's child porn. And, the law in almost every single jurisdiction requires you to let the police decide.
Blame the child pornographers, not the sap who has to deal with this in the wake of Sandusky.
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 7:59 am to FalseProphet
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Considering almost every state and federal law requires you to report potential child pornography, they do. If I open someone's phone and see videos of kids I don't know dancing around, I'm not going to be the one to decide whether or not it's child porn. And, the law in almost every single jurisdiction requires you to let the police decide. Blame the child pornographers, not the sap who has to deal with this in the wake of Sandusky.
Agreed, but HOW frickING LONG does it take for someone with two brain cells to look ai it, determines its harmless videos of HIS kids and resolve the issue!!!!!
Does it even have to go to a FREAKING JUDGE. For God's sake
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:10 am to lsuroadie
IMO, it took so long because they wanted it to be an obscene video. They wanted this case to vault their careers.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:26 am to SabiDojo
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IMO, it took so long because they wanted it to be an obscene video. They wanted this case to vault their careers.
Winner
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:38 am to FalseProphet
You mean to tell me that after the first interogation he didn't say "guys those are my kids, it was just a video of them having fun." I get all the steps taken prior to this, but to smear the guys name when it's his own kids is fricking reckless. He should sue the frick out of these people.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 9:06 am to lsuhunt555
More importantly, the person who "discovered" the videos was obviously going through his shite unnecessarily......then turned it in like he was a criminal. THAT person either needs an arse whooping or public humiliation x 100.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 9:06 am to lsuhunt555
Any attorney's in here that cam comment on this?
Can the coach sue for prosecutorial misconduct or other charges??
This is such a gross abuse of common sense...
In a local article by local paper, attorney mike hanson had this to say about the video BACK IN AUGUST WHEN HE MADE THE ARREST...
WTF!!?? How can it go from this to total dismissal from a judge.
Can the coach sue for prosecutorial misconduct or other charges??
This is such a gross abuse of common sense...
In a local article by local paper, attorney mike hanson had this to say about the video BACK IN AUGUST WHEN HE MADE THE ARREST...
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Assistant Blue Earth County Attorney Mike Hanson said two videos found on the phone showed one of Hoffner¹s children masturbating and all three of them, a son and two daughters between the ages of 5 and 9, performing a lewd skit.
WTF!!?? How can it go from this to total dismissal from a judge.
This post was edited on 12/1/12 at 9:11 am
Posted on 12/1/12 at 9:07 am to lsuroadie
More importantly, the person who "discovered" the videos was obviously going through his shite unnecessarily......then turned it in like he was a criminal. THAT person either needs an arse whooping or public humiliation x 100.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 9:12 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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They're just now figuring this out? Dang, how long does it take to show them pictures of his kids and compare them to videos.
Right? I mean, WTF?
Posted on 12/1/12 at 9:23 am to lsuroadie
quote:malicious prosecution.
Any attorney's in here that cam comment on this? Can the coach sue for prosecutorial misconduct or other charges?? This is such a gross abuse of common sense...
Posted on 12/1/12 at 9:49 am to Lsuhoohoo
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I'm not the type to throw lawsuits around but I think I'd definitely be taking somebody to court for that. His name was sullied because he had bathtime videos of his kids. Countless number of parents have done this. Sucks for Hoffner.
Lawsuits are not the answer. The laws need to be changed. This is what happens when we pass laws to "get tough" in response to some terrible incident. Probably some high profile case somewhere about child porn and we rush to pass tougher laws without considering the unintended consequences like some guy with picks of his kids in a bath or teenagers being charged with child porn.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 9:56 am to H-Town Tiger
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Lawsuits are not the answer. The laws need to be changed. This is what happens when we pass laws to "get tough" in response to some terrible incident. Probably some high profile case somewhere about child porn and we rush to pass tougher laws without considering the unintended consequences like some guy with picks of his kids in a bath or teenagers being charged with child porn.
But then, when you "loosen up", actual ped's can escape through loopholes. Why can't the toughness remain but the law enforcers use a little common sense?
Shortly after he was arrested, someone had to start realizing that this was a mistake. How about you expedite the frick out of the legal process and give this innocent man back his life?
Posted on 12/1/12 at 9:59 am to Tiger in NY
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Dobber couldn't even work a cell phone.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 10:14 am to Murray
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But then, when you "loosen up", actual ped's can escape through loopholes.
How? When you expand laws all you do is create new criminals. They don't catch more dangerous criminals. All they do is catch guys like this or more often than kids. Some 15 y/old text her boy friend a topless pic she is distributing kiddie porn.
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Why can't the toughness remain but the law enforcers use a little common sense?
Because the law is a brunt instrument. What you are saying is LE should selectively decide who to prosecute. That's even more dangerous. You insert the common sense in the law. You can not give cops and DA's that kind of discretion. It's not like child porn was perviously legal, we've just expanded the definitions. Usually this happens when people are upset over some high profile case where laws were already broken but for some reason we think we need more. Trying to close to barn door after the horse is already out. Something terrible happened, so we have to do something.
Not kiddie porn obviously, but after the Columbine shootings, that was movement to pass tougher laws to stop this from happening again. Those kids where already breaking about 17 different laws. Think 1 or 2 or 15 more would have stopped them? No and you're new "tougher" laws on child porn are not stopping what was all ready illegal, it is however, getting innocent people in trouble.
This post was edited on 12/1/12 at 10:17 am
Posted on 12/1/12 at 10:16 am to The Boat
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fricked up that people will think of this for the rest of his life. Guilty until proven innocent. Then still guilty.
Media
They like to play judge, jury and executioner
This post was edited on 12/1/12 at 10:16 am
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:01 pm to lsuroadie
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Assistant Blue Earth County Attorney Mike Hanson said two videos found on the phone showed one of Hoffner¹s children masturbating and all three of them, a son and two daughters between the ages of 5 and 9, performing a lewd skit.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:13 pm to tduecen
Wow. I feel really bad for this guy. This is horse shite.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:15 pm to chief420
This bump was necessary.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Lawsuits are not the answer. The laws need to be changed. This is what happens when we pass laws to "get tough" in response to some terrible incident. Probably some high profile case somewhere about child porn and we rush to pass tougher laws without considering the unintended consequences like some guy with picks of his kids in a bath or teenagers being charged with child porn.
Interestingly enough, toughening of laws may end up helping future criminals of that crime.
For example, a city has a major narcotics distribution problem that has the public and the media up in arms. Therefore, laws are put in place to enforce mandatory sentencing of the harshest possible penalty that is within the legislature's range for a fair and proportional punishment.
In turn, the mandatory sentencing forces hundreds of new cases to go to court and backs up the docket. Since the prosecution and judges cannot handle the load, DA's may choose to prosecute the criminals on a lesser crime, such as possession, instead of distribution, so they can plea bargain away the case. Of course, the DA has to start on lower ground in the plea bargaining because possession does not carry the same penalty.
Ironically, the "get tough on crime" laws can backfire. Rushing to judgment and irrational decision-making is never the answer.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:17 pm to FalseProphet
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Considering almost every state and federal law requires you to report potential child pornography, they do.
If I open someone's phone and see videos of kids I don't know dancing around, I'm not going to be the one to decide whether or not it's child porn. And, the law in almost every single jurisdiction requires you to let the police decide.
Blame the child pornographers,
i still blame the lawmakers and policing/prosecution agencies
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