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re: The trend is your friend
Posted on 12/2/12 at 9:26 pm to CocoLoco
Posted on 12/2/12 at 9:26 pm to CocoLoco
Sorry Coco, but is that the Atlanta game where we gave up 126 yards on 20 carries? (6.3 yards per carry) One good half of defense doesn't make up for a terrible half of defense. We gave up 23 points. Good defenses give up 6, 7 maybe 10 points. Not 23.
Like I said, the in game adjustments are good, but the first halfs have been unbearable.
Our offense is usually good, but if we have to score 27+ points to win a game, forgive me for not thinking this defense is any good.
Like I said, the in game adjustments are good, but the first halfs have been unbearable.
Our offense is usually good, but if we have to score 27+ points to win a game, forgive me for not thinking this defense is any good.
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Posted on 12/2/12 at 9:37 pm to Suntiger
quote:no, just using an example of how it can turn around with not having total overhaul changes. Joseph, Manning, Watt, & Barwin were four big adds in one year. The difficulty is "hitting" on your free agent decisions & draft picks in one year.
I'm not sure we are in the same spot as Houston was
Imagine a DE across from Jordan that you could pencil in 10+ sacks a year from. Let's go for a proven free agent for that. You pick who it might be (Avril, Michael Johnson, whoever). Then add another playmaker in Round 1. It could be a LB, DB, or DL. The main thing is, it has to be a day one starter that is a difference maker. Two guys like that to the established core here is enough to make a big difference IMO.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 9:38 pm to Suntiger
Someone asked what the trend was for TDs, etc... hope I didn't miss anything while putting this together as the wife nags me!!
don't be crazy and snoop my FB page fools... not much to see anyway.
This post was edited on 12/2/12 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 12/2/12 at 9:39 pm to Suntiger
Atlanta is scoring about 27 points a game.
We held them to less than that.
I just can't believe that you don't see improvement from the beginning of the season.
Good defenses allow 7 points? Really?
We need to be the damn Houston Texans to get your approval?
We held them to less than that.
I just can't believe that you don't see improvement from the beginning of the season.
Good defenses allow 7 points? Really?
We need to be the damn Houston Texans to get your approval?
Posted on 12/2/12 at 9:42 pm to Suntiger
quote:
We gave up 23 points. Good defenses give up 6, 7 maybe 10 points. Not 23.
the best defense in the league gives up 14.1 pts/g
the 5th best gives up 19.
The offense turned the ball over 5 times and we held them to 23 points. They could not run the ball on us at all outside of the 1st drive
quote:
Good defenses allow 7 points? Really? We need to be the damn Houston Texans to get your approval?
Houston gives up 19.2 pts/g
This post was edited on 12/2/12 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 12/2/12 at 9:42 pm to Hoodoo Man
According to my elementary school chart.... we should have demolished ATL 
minus INT
minus INTThis post was edited on 12/2/12 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 12/2/12 at 9:46 pm to TigerBait1127
That's pretty surprising.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 9:52 pm to blueslover
Isn't Connor Barwin a FA this coming year?
Like I said Hoodoo, I see the improvement. I'm just not ready to say they are good. Getting run out of the building one half and stopping a team the next half doesn't make you a good defense. And yes, 7-10 points a game may be asking for too much, but giving up 27 points per game (27th in the NFL) is not good.
Like I said, I see what y'all are saying. I just don't think and handful of series over the past three weeks makes us a good defense. Consistency over a few games.
Take the flip side. Our offense has been great all year long. Just because we had an awful game last week doesn't make us an awful offense.
Like I said Hoodoo, I see the improvement. I'm just not ready to say they are good. Getting run out of the building one half and stopping a team the next half doesn't make you a good defense. And yes, 7-10 points a game may be asking for too much, but giving up 27 points per game (27th in the NFL) is not good.
Like I said, I see what y'all are saying. I just don't think and handful of series over the past three weeks makes us a good defense. Consistency over a few games.
Take the flip side. Our offense has been great all year long. Just because we had an awful game last week doesn't make us an awful offense.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 9:54 pm to Suntiger
I see what you're saying.
I think we're debating over semantics.
I think we're debating over semantics.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 9:58 pm to Suntiger
quote:An overstatement. They have been great at times but...
Our offense has been great all year long
Posted on 12/2/12 at 10:01 pm to Hoodoo Man
quote:
I see what you're saying.
I think we're debating over semantics.
Agreed
Posted on 12/2/12 at 10:09 pm to JazzyJeff
The offense is scoring a lot compared to other teams.
But it feels like they're seriously underacheiving.
But it feels like they're seriously underacheiving.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 10:15 pm to Hoodoo Man
This post was about the D and they have improved... averaging about 4 TDs against them up to the DEV game and nobody has scored more than 2 since minus the first ATL game. This doesn't include TD by INT.
*didn't the Giants followers say give Spags 10 weeks for the turnaround?
*didn't the Giants followers say give Spags 10 weeks for the turnaround?
This post was edited on 12/2/12 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 12/2/12 at 10:15 pm to Hoodoo Man
quote:
The offense is scoring a lot compared to other teams.
But it feels like they're seriously underacheiving.
They are able to score a lot still due to the talent this team has on offense. However, the lack of scheming because of the absence of Sean Payton has made a our great offense turn to a good offense. With Payton we win 12 games this season at the fewest, IMO.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 10:16 pm to CocoLoco
There's no reason we shouldn't absolutely wreck shite next season.
Posted on 12/2/12 at 10:17 pm to Hoodoo Man
quote:
The offense is scoring a lot compared to other teams.
2nd in total yards and 3rd in total points.
quote:
But it feels like they're seriously underacheiving.
I know what you mean
FYI: Just for reference. (because I was looking it up) We are scoring 26.8 points per game and giving up 27.3 points per game.
So close. 
Posted on 12/2/12 at 10:51 pm to Suntiger
ATL had what 70 yards on the ground the first drive? Outside of that one drive the Saints did well even defending the run.
The team just came out incredibly flat, on both offense and defense. It was depressing to see us not prepared or ready to play.
Our team is getting more overall QB pressures, defending the run a bit better, and giving up less and less long passing plays from blown coverage. We are slowly improving little by little. One major issue we need to correct ASAP is our tackling. Everyone is missing multiple tackles each game.
If we can tackle better in the future, add one player to the secondary to be a ball hawk, one OLB to help cover the TE and RB out the back field, one DE who is a sack machine this team will be rolling. The players are finally understanding the scheme as is evident by recent performances.
The defensive outlook really isn't too bleak. Improve tackling, and add 2 or 3 immediate contributors and we have a middle of the league defense easily. Which paired with our top 5 offense makes us a real threat to everyone.
The team just came out incredibly flat, on both offense and defense. It was depressing to see us not prepared or ready to play.
Our team is getting more overall QB pressures, defending the run a bit better, and giving up less and less long passing plays from blown coverage. We are slowly improving little by little. One major issue we need to correct ASAP is our tackling. Everyone is missing multiple tackles each game.
If we can tackle better in the future, add one player to the secondary to be a ball hawk, one OLB to help cover the TE and RB out the back field, one DE who is a sack machine this team will be rolling. The players are finally understanding the scheme as is evident by recent performances.
The defensive outlook really isn't too bleak. Improve tackling, and add 2 or 3 immediate contributors and we have a middle of the league defense easily. Which paired with our top 5 offense makes us a real threat to everyone.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 10:03 am to ATLienTiger
Connor Barwin UFA but it's anticipated they would in no way let him walk. Will be franchised before hitting the market.
Shaun Phillips SD would be another great coup from the Chargers. He's like a Colston of LBs to me. Very solid playmaker that has never got acclaim anywhere near his ability. He'll be 32 going into next yr but his play is still on top. Cuz of the age he prolly wouldn't be a bank buster. Would be a great vet/fit for a shorter term like Sharper was.
Shaun Phillips SD would be another great coup from the Chargers. He's like a Colston of LBs to me. Very solid playmaker that has never got acclaim anywhere near his ability. He'll be 32 going into next yr but his play is still on top. Cuz of the age he prolly wouldn't be a bank buster. Would be a great vet/fit for a shorter term like Sharper was.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 11:31 am to blueslover
Good year for taking a tackle or two Blu. I don't see a impact in FA at DE because of cost. But LB'ers and DT in the draft that could start are there.
Prolly should start a thread but do you think/want Harper and Jenkins back as starters at SS and FS?
I've seen enough missed tackles to say no.
Prolly should start a thread but do you think/want Harper and Jenkins back as starters at SS and FS?
I've seen enough missed tackles to say no.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 1:13 pm to goatmilker
quote:Exit Ellis & Will Smith is about $11mil to get another DE
don't see a impact in FA at DE because of cost.
quote:I look at the contracts as much as the performance-
do you think/want Harper and Jenkins back
Jenkins has one more year left on his deal and wouldn't save enough to be worth letting go.
Harper prolly stays too. I'm more supportive of him than many performance wise. I'm more inclined to let him go contract wise. It would cost almost $4mil in cap but it would save over $11mil the next two yrs. He's the #9 highest paid safety (F or S) in the NFL. Play doesn't warrant that much.
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