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Balanced Budget Amendment


There are 2 ways to go about a BBA

1. Congress 2/3

2. 2/3 States forcing a Constitutional Convention

I want to focus on #2 in this thread. I've read 34 states are needed for a Convenvention. To my knowledge 32 states have signed on so far. Is anyone familiar with the process once or if the states ratify a BBA?

Does it immediately go to Congress? Does 2/3 of House and Senate have to sign off?

I'm interested in the possibility and process if anyone can give details I would appreciate it.







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moneyg
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I'd love to hear more details on this as well.





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accnodefense
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Wouldn't want a consitutional convention, constitution is fine as it is.

That would just open the door for radical leftists to remake the constitution in their own image and put their values in there.

I.e. restricting free speech, making a new bill of rights with bogus rights such as housing and health care, etc.






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That's the fear of a Constitutional Convention but the Convention is only called for 1 item of business a BBA. There is no other reason to debate anything else.

Yes, I know it could turn into a freak show but the Consitutional Convention is held by elected officials.






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buddhavista
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Wouldn't want a consitutional convention, constitution is fine as it is.


the point would be that congress would pass it immediately to avoid a constitutional convention.






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Malik Agar
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But what about the poor congressmen that wouldn't be able to keep spending our tax money like drunken sailors? This amendment would discriminate against them.





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the point would be that congress would pass it immediately to avoid a constitutional convention


That's the whole point.

The last thing Congress wants is to have the states imposing their version of a BBA on Washington. They would be scrambling like rats to pass their own. The problem lies in the loopholes Congress would place in certain provisions (war,recession etc) to work around the BBA.






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carbola
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quote:

I'd love to hear more details on this as well.


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The only method ever used is the congressional method. It lets Congress pass constitutional amendments by a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate. Such amendments must then be ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures or special state conventions, as Congress determines. Over 10,000 amendments have been introduced into Congress since 1789. Only 33 have been approved. Of these, 27 have been ratified and added to the Constitution.

The other way of amending the Constitution has never been successfully used. Under this procedure, the states initiate the amending process by petitioning Congress for a constitutional convention. When two-thirds of the states have submitted petitions, Congress must call a convention. Any amendments approved by such a convention must be ratified by three-fourths of the states. Congress decides whether state legislatures or state conventions will ratify these amendments.

Since the Constitution went into effect, there have been about 400 petitions from state legislatures calling for a convention to consider one thing or another. None of these efforts ever succeeded, but some came close. For years Congress ignored requests to pass an amendment allowing for the direct election of U.S. senators. Finally, in 1912, Congress passed the 17th Amendment, but only after supporters of the amendment were just one state short of triggering a constitutional convention.


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Most recently, there has been a major movement to pass a federal balanced budget amendment. Unable to get action in Congress, supporters again turned to the convention method of amendment. To date, those behind the balanced budget amendment have convinced 32 states to submit convention petitions to Congress. Backers of the amendment need only two more states to compel Congress to call a convention.

Many people have voiced concern over the convention method of amending the Constitution. Our only experience with a national constitutional convention took place 200 years ago. At that time the delegates took it upon themselves to ignore the reason for calling the convention, which was merely to improve the Articles of Confederation. The Founding Fathers also violated the procedure for changing the Articles of Confederation. Instead of requiring approval of all the state legislatures, the signers of the Constitution called for ratification by elected state conventions in only nine of the 13 states.

Another point of anxiety is that Article V of the Constitution says nothing about what a convention may or may not do. If a convention is held, must it deal with only one proposed amendment? Or could the delegates vote on any number of amendments that were introduced? The Constitution itself provides no answers to these questions.








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carbola
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quote:

I'd love to hear more details on this as well.


From Wikipedia

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Between April 29, 1975 and January 29, 1980, 34 petitions from 30 different state legislatures were submitted to Congress on the subject of a Balanced Budget Amendment. The participating states were Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, and Wyoming. Since 1980, two additional state legislatures have petitioned Congress for a convention for a Balanced Budget Amendment, bringing the total number of participating states to 32.[15] If two additional state legislatures were to petition, then the required two-thirds majority of states would be reached (34 out of 50 states) and some contend that Congress would be required to call a convention to propose a Balanced Budget Amendment. In December 2008, the Ohio legislature considered making Ohio the 33rd state to petition for a convention on the subject, but decided against it






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carbola
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quote:

I'd love to hear more details on this as well.


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Although 32 states had initially passed resolutions calling for a Con-Con (for the alleged purpose of adding a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution), 3 states — Alabama, Florida and Louisiana — rescinded their calls.

The Nevada House of Representatives "purged" its resolution. However, since both chambers passed the resolution, it is questionable whether the one-chamber purge would be accepted as a rescission. Conversely, it has been argued that because the resolution was actually purged from the records it would negate the initial resolution, since it must pass in both chambers.



Problem is no one knows whether or not the rescinding is actually possible since their are no provisions for it.

Also, no one knows if they could just look at the 1 amendment or do whatever they want.






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but the simplest way to balance the budget is to just go off the so-called 'fiscal cliff'





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States That Have Not Yet Requested A Balanced Budget Amending Convention

Arizona, California, Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming

There are a good number of states I believe could pass the BBA. My list has 31 States that have not passed. At one point 32 states were on board.






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Sorry we'll not see it,but, one of the things the Romney people were talking about if elected was a Balanced Budget Amendment process. It was being planned. A replacement Federal Health Insurance policy for Obamacare was being planned too. Using private Ins. company policies for poor people and anyone else. Premium partially paid for by gov't.





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Cold Pizza
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ND, SD, WY and MT should be all over this.





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