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re: Dan Patrick Rips Miles

Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:07 am to
Posted by namvet6566
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:07 am to
Do Schools consult with the coach when they fire them?

I am a consultant and if someone calls I am going to listen.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68310 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:08 am to
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.... yes he did What has he done since 2011? If LSU wanted to give him a raise for last season when he won an SEC championship and took LSU to the BCS title, Alleva would have done it then, not a year later. Alleva caved because of Arkansas. Argument over.


The guy deserved the raise last year. I dont see a problem. He is stil the fith highest paid coach and was making less than lane fricking kiffin. But i bet you were one of the ones that said he would bring tenn back.
Posted by charate
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2012
195 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:09 am to
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making accusations based on nothing like they were there. especially when Miles has done nothing in the past to be called immoral, unprofessional, or low in character.


why is what I said considered an accusation. Using the market to your advantage to get more compensation is just smart. Its not underhanded in any way.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68310 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:10 am to
So you have texas by your name. Do you feel like mack brown deserves the 5.16 mil he makes? Why dont you troll orangebloods and talk shite about that head coach. A school that has way more going for it than LSU.
Posted by Signature
Omnipresent
Member since Sep 2005
6738 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:12 am to
In my opinion a lot of LSU fans are delusional. In all fairness, its a common trait in sunshine pumping. If you don't think that Miles used Arky to get a raise + extension you are blind.

That's the way the system works.... Which is flawed. At this point you cannot deny that Miles and his agent have used "offers" from other schools three different times in order to get a raise. Patrick was right on the money IMO.


Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68310 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:13 am to
quote:

Plus, it's not a bad idea to bring in fresh people from time to time.


Yes it is. When kids commit to a school for 4-5 years, im pretty sure they would like the coach that convinced them to do the same.

Plus you have no fricking clue if miles said here is what arkansas offered, give me more or i walk. You have no clue so you should prob just stfu
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259593 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:14 am to
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The guy deserved the raise last year. I dont see a problem. He is stil the fith highest paid coach and was making less than lane fricking kiffin. But i bet you were one of the ones that said he would bring tenn back.



He did, with an addition of incentives. He just didn't reach them
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68310 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:15 am to
quote:

In my opinion a lot of LSU fans are delusional. In all fairness, its a common trait in sunshine pumping. If you don't think that Miles used Arky to get a raise + extension you are blind. That's the way the system works.... Which is flawed. At this point you cannot deny that Miles and his agent have used "offers" from other schools three different times in order to get a raise. Patrick was right on the money IMO.


You are as blind as the rest of us, you have no clue. Neither do i. So i could easily say, the guy hasnt had a raise since 07 and its about damn time he got one. I would leave my company too if i didnt get a raise after 5 years with similar results. Which is better than the majority of the programs in the country.
Posted by jimithing11
Dillon, Texas
Member since Mar 2011
22470 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:17 am to
quote:

So you have texas by your name. Do you feel like mack brown deserves the 5.16 mil he makes? Why dont you troll orangebloods and talk shite about that head coach. A school that has way more going for it than LSU.





I graduated from LSU. But thanks, dad
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259593 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:18 am to
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the guy hasnt had a raise since 07



Following the '10 season he got an extension with incentives. I'm assuming the SEC championship got him more money
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68310 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:18 am to
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He did, with an addition of incentives. He just didn't reach them


What? Not sure what you are saying but we both dont know the ins and outs of his previous contract. We have no idea if he reached the goals set forth by the admin. Im pretty sure winning the sec and making the bcs title game would be part of that and would be a reason to give a guy a raise.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68310 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:19 am to
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I graduated from LSU. But thanks, dad




Well im not losing sleep over les miles being our coach. Good luck cus hes here til 2019.
This post was edited on 11/29/12 at 10:20 am
Posted by tigerinridgeland
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2006
7635 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:20 am to
quote:

In my opinion a lot of LSU fans are delusional. In all fairness, its a common trait in sunshine pumping. If you don't think that Miles used Arky to get a raise + extension you are blind. That's the way the system works.... Which is flawed. At this point you cannot deny that Miles and his agent have used "offers" from other schools three different times in order to get a raise. Patrick was right on the money IMO.


Why do you think he would not have gotten a raise anyway? He hadn't had one since 2007. His last season he went undefeated in regular season for LSU's first time since 1958, he won the SEC Championship (for the 2d time) and got his team into the BCSCG and a final no. 2 rank. His current salary is generally below what his peers make at other programs. He has added another 10 win season this year, losing only to the then no. 1 team and another top 5 team. Why would he not get a raise. Contracts are renegotiated all the time. Did the Arkansas discussion influence the amount. That is certainly possible because it indicated, in part, his market value, but at the same time, the reported raise falls well short of what Arkansas allegedly offered and his compensation is well within the range of what he would have gotten any in event.

No Dan Patrick wasn't right, because he is taking speculation and rumor as truth. As a journalist, he ought to know better. There was never any serious risk of Miles leaving for Arkansas, Alleva knew it, everybody knew it. The alleged offer was more background noise than anything else, and it ought to be obvious to anyone who takes time to consider the situation.
Posted by jimithing11
Dillon, Texas
Member since Mar 2011
22470 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:21 am to
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Im pretty sure winning the sec and making the bcs title game would be part of that and would be a reason to give a guy a raise.


You just contradicted yourself

If you have a performance-based contract, and you win the SEC championship and make the BCS title game, your bonuses kick in and you make more money, hence the use of the word 'incentives' ... look it up.

If he got those two things, he made more money than his base of $3.75 million, so why the need for a raise?
This post was edited on 11/29/12 at 10:22 am
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68310 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:22 am to
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Following the '10 season he got an extension with incentives. I'm assuming the SEC championship got him more money


You are rt. maybe he met the reasons for a raise. Like i said in my previous post. People constantly bitched about not winning the west and competing for the sec title, remember bcs title is just lagniappe? Now winning the best conference in football isnt good enough? Thats just absurd.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68310 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:26 am to
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You just contradicted yourself If you have a performance-based contract, and you win the SEC championship and make the BCS title game, your bonuses kick in and you make more money, hence the use of the word 'incentives' ... look it up. If he got those two things, he made more money than his base of $3.75 million, so why the need for a raise?


No i didnt. I said i dont know what exactly his contract called for. Neither do you. Is it not possible the "incentives" were not necessarily a bonus, but a raise? Besides we have seen more success than ever under miles. that all correlates to money pumping into the university. Why anyone is mad is beyond me other than the fact they cant get over nick saban.

If someone is going to just assume that miles went to arkansas solely for milking money out of lsu, then i can assume him making the bcs title game, is the reason he got a raise.
This post was edited on 11/29/12 at 10:28 am
Posted by jimithing11
Dillon, Texas
Member since Mar 2011
22470 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:29 am to
quote:

No i didnt. I said i dont know what exactly his contract called for. Neither do you. Is it not possible the "incentives" were not necessarily a bonus, but a raise?


It was clear after the Michigan debacle that his contract was heavily "incentive-laced"

That means you get bonuses for wins, conferences championships, national championships etc
Posted by tigerinridgeland
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2006
7635 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:32 am to
His base salary was still below his market value, regardless of incentives. Most college coaching contracts have incentives, but that is a separate, though obviously related, issue. The key point here is that his base compensation was below market value, and incentives are secondary to that point. End of story.
Posted by jimithing11
Dillon, Texas
Member since Mar 2011
22470 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:39 am to
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The key point here is that his base compensation was below market value, and incentives are secondary to that point. End of story.


He still is 'below market value' .... so end of story

$500,000 more doesn't put him in any elite category, so the raise was unnecessary 'in nature'
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:43 am to
For some reason every time I see or read anything about Dan Patrick I always think of the Dan "The Man" Levitan character from Good Morning Vietnam. Kind of an old foggie-ish type but not totally uncool.

I'm not sure who at ESPN would be the Robin Williams character though.
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