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No Miles, no Saban, no Urban, so who else??? Caveat emptor...

Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:35 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84609 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:35 am
Everytime I see someone arguing that LSU is better off with Miles, the root of their argument is that LSU would hire a slamdunk, sure fire head coach to replace him. Hell, I'm a Miles guy, but if I knew I would get Jim Harbaugh to replace him, I would be fine. But that is not how these things work.

With Miles, LSU can be anywhere from 8-5 to 13-1, and we will likely maintain an .810 winning percentage. We will compete for conference and national championships, and we will scratch our heads at some of his moves the whole time.

However, without Miles, who actually knows what we will be? Is there a coach out there that could improve upon what Miles has done? Sure. But the problem is that the vast majority of coaches will likely underperform Miles, and that is simply not a risk worth taking.

For LSU, the only available coach in the country who is a sure-fire, slam dunk kind of guy is already at the helm.

--I've made my point, but keep reading for further evidence and save the tl;dr responses--

Perhaps we can learn from history that the grass is not always greener on the other side...

Nebraska 2003: Fired Frank Solich (.766 W%) and hired Bill Callahan. AD said he would not "let Nebraska gravitate into mediocrity" with Solich. Callahan was fired after 4 seasons and a .551 W%.

Tennessee 2008: Forced Phillip Fulmer (.745 W%) to step down. Volunteers are looking for their 3rd coach since then and sport a .449 W% since Fulmer was let go. Of note is the fact that Tennessee still sports a higher all-time winning percentage than LSU, but it did not insulate them from mediocrity.

Florida 2002: Steve Spurrier left after posting a .813 W% at Florida. It was a premier program in the country at the time. The Florida AD was turned down by Mike Shanahan and Bob Stoops. Ron Zook ultimately landed the job and proceeded to go 23-14 over three seasons at a school that took six years to lose 14 games before Zook got there.

Michigan 2007: Forced out Lloyd Carr (.753 W%) for his lackluster record against Ohio State (6-7). Hired hot-shot Rich Rodriguez and limped to a 15-22 record over the next 3 seasons.

Alabama 1997: Even Alabama is not infallible. After Gene Stallings retired in 1996 with an .805 W%, it took Alabama 10 seasons, 4 coaches, a .553 W%, and a textbook scandal to get Nick Saban. That record includes their forfeited wins. Officially, Alabama had a losing record during that span and a .486 W%.

In fact, since 2000, I can only find 4 programs that have replaced coaches with .700+ W% and had even greater success with the newcomer.

TCU replaced Dennis Franchionne (.714 W%) with Gary Patterson in 2000, and Patterson has led TCU to a .773 W% since then.

Boise State in 2000 replaced Dirk Koetter (.722 W%) with Dan Hawkins, who posted a .828 W% from 2001-2005. Boise found even greater success replacing Hawkins with Christ Peterson who has produced a .911 W% since 2006.
Miami in 2001 replaced Butch Davis (.718 W%) with Larry Coker, who went 60-15 from 2001-2006 for a .800 W%. Coker was fired in 2006 after posting consecutively worse seasons each year, so I think this actually strenghtens my argument.

And finally, LSU in 2005, who replaced Nick Saban and his .750 W% with Les Miles, who has posted an .810 W% since then. Accounting for the Penn State forfeit, LSU has a .817 W% under Miles.

Very long story short, any rational observer can see that there is little reason to be excited over having to replace Les Miles.
This post was edited on 11/28/12 at 4:44 pm
Posted by Hat Tricks
Member since Oct 2003
28611 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:37 am to
Great post.

Get ready for Miles haters to come and blast you though. They all live in a fantasy world where they think LSU can just hire any damn coach they want to.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27816 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:37 am to
Excellent post.
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:38 am to
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This post was edited on 11/28/12 at 11:47 am
Posted by Froman
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
36203 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:40 am to
Legit. I agree with all of that.
Posted by treble hook
Member since Nov 2011
2310 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:40 am to
I agree LSU could easily frick this up but we could also take the opportunity to hire a coach that runs to the correct sideline
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32453 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:40 am to
quote:

Everytime I see someone arguing that LSU is better off with Miles, the root of their argument is that LSU would hire a slamdunk, sure fire head coach to replace him. Hell, I'm a Miles guy, but if I knew I would get Jim Harbaugh to replace him, I would be fine. But that is not how these things work.
So, you're saying there's a chance?
Posted by TheDeathValley
New Orleans, LA
Member since Sep 2010
17143 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:42 am to
That is on point my friend.
Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
Pelicans, Saints, & LSU Fan
Member since May 2009
80159 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:42 am to
quote:

Accounting for the Penn State forfeit, LSU has a .817 W% under Miles.


why even put that non truth there
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57235 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:43 am to
quote:

Accounting for the Penn State Forfeit


Posted by RobNation
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2011
889 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:47 am to
Nice post and I read every word.
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23055 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:47 am to
:slowclap:

I RA'd for a sticky request BTW.
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
Member since Jun 2008
32383 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:48 am to
Posted by jimithing11
Dillon, Texas
Member since Mar 2011
22471 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:49 am to
will read again

Still doesn't mean he deserves a raise...
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
34451 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:51 am to
quote:

With Miles, LSU can be anywhere from 8-5 to 13-1, and we will likely maintain an .810 winning percentage. We will compete for conference and national championships, and we will scratch our heads at some of his moves the whole time.
I'm okay with this. I can forgive him for 2008 and 09 because our starting QB was in Jacksonville St.
Posted by makinskrilla
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jun 2009
9727 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:52 am to
solid post.

only response is that right now, for this thing to be lingering- I think the LSU AD has got to be working some connections to gauge interest in LSU HC position.

Either one of two things happens in the near future considering that LSU is an elite powerhouse CFB program:

a.) LSU gets a solid agreement in principle and dollar amount with THE GUY they want for the job and lets Les go on about his business.

b.) they up Les's pay to match or exceed Arky's offer.

This is pure speculation, but I think we hear something soon about how this will shake down.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:53 am to
quote:

slackster


Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:54 am to
Nah bruh, according to this board, 70% of the people posting here could do Miles' job as well as him
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10186 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:57 am to




Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
34451 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:57 am to
quote:

b.) they up Les's pay to match or exceed Arky's offer.
Why does this have to happen? I can get sweetening the deal a little, but If he is already paid top 5 money, why would we need to up that? He's a top 5 coach, he gets top 5 money.
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