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re: 4 of us, All LSU Alums, Could not agree on our Offense...
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:53 pm to ForeLSU
Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:53 pm to ForeLSU
Why is everyone acceding to the notion that this is a binary choice and the only two options are "keep Studthorpe" or "blow it all up and install an uptempo, no-huddle, spread style offense"?
You could always get rid of the incredibly lackluster OCs we currently have and hire a better OC to run a similar offense. Offensive scheme is less important than play-calling anyway, and most of the problems with the offense have come from incredibly predictable and vanilla play-calling. You can be a power-running, ball control team without calling 3 straight HB dives for 1 yard. Hell, find someone who can get us into the endzone consistently when we hit the red zone and we're probably a 12-0 team this year.
You could always get rid of the incredibly lackluster OCs we currently have and hire a better OC to run a similar offense. Offensive scheme is less important than play-calling anyway, and most of the problems with the offense have come from incredibly predictable and vanilla play-calling. You can be a power-running, ball control team without calling 3 straight HB dives for 1 yard. Hell, find someone who can get us into the endzone consistently when we hit the red zone and we're probably a 12-0 team this year.
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Posted on 11/26/12 at 7:57 pm to Meauxjeaux
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Power running with a Pro style passing games
This formula will never become obsolete as long as you play solid defense. Just look at what Stanford did to Oregon this year for evidence.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 8:02 pm to bopper50
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The only real agreement seemed to be that we are going to have to get the "Best of The Best" defensive players in the future to deal with both styles of play in the new SEC.
Obviously we need good players who have good instincts on D. But I would argue that having alot of speed (obviously with players who are capable of playing their position... not just speedsters who don't have the intangibles) is key to stopping a variety of offenses... more particularly the spread.
Having Bulk and strength is preferable to stop power run teams, but there aren't many teams who can effectively run a power run game. And having speed across the board still helps with power run teams because it allows your blitzers to beat the offense to the point of attack.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 8:30 pm to LSUnation78
I think the spread trend is on the downward cycle...teams are realizing the games are won at the line of scrimmage and due to TOP...big schools are heading that direction...
Posted on 11/26/12 at 8:32 pm to thekid
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I think the spread trend is on the downward cycle...teams are realizing the games are won at the line of scrimmage and due to TOP...big schools are heading that direction...
Big schools like who?
Also, what's with this idea that you don't need a great line to run the spread? Or that the only way to run the spread is in a no-huddle, hurry up fashion? A&M runs a version of the spread and they had a 50/50 split between run and pass and didn't seem to have any problems with TOP.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 8:35 pm to nf
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Offensive scheme is less important than play-calling anyway, and most of the problems with the offense have come from incredibly predictable and vanilla play-calling.
exactly. we have some good, effective plays in our playbook. there's enough variety to be really successful, but the sequencing of the play calls is mind-boggling at times.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 8:47 pm to bopper50
I am good with the offense we run but after watching much football this weekend I came to the conclusion that we are hampered by lack of mobility at the the QB. I believe Mett is the best QB but his lack of speed to be a threat to scramble eliminates a dimension the defense must account for.
I dont think that we need to change out Mett but his successors need to have better mobility.
I dont think that we need to change out Mett but his successors need to have better mobility.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 9:05 pm to bopper50
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bopper50
How about an offense that can score some points? Take some pressure off the D. A great D is still very important, but the offense has to do something more than it has for the past 4 years.
The scheme needs to fit the personnel. Learning something new should not be so daunting. I just hope the STAFF understands that the offense is awful and must get much, much better.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 9:56 pm to Dubaitiger
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Why not change if it will be better. Look at all the frshman QBs kicking arse--it was their first year in the system. Oregon QB, Manziel (RF), and a couple others.
Those QBs were also recruited to run the specific system they're in. LSU would have to go completely back to the drawing board on the types of players they recruit for all offensive positions for a speedy spread offense. Smaller, faster RBs and OL. QB who can run.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 9:58 pm to bopper50
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These ultra spread, read option offenses are here to stay for a while and the argument is that we may be left behind if we stay pat . Other SEC teams are getting stronger and we will have to be better fast.
Whose argument? Who says they will win anything? I don't see anyone going to the NCG with this type of offense.
Better than who? Who has beaten us in the SEC over the past 5 years? Not many teams.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 10:11 pm to Meauxjeaux
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Power running with a Pro style passing games FTW. Pretty much like this year, but with a better Met, better OL and better receivers next year.
Our dline was supposed to be better then last year. Well, it's not.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 10:43 pm to dreaux
I vote to keep the offensive philosphy the same. Just need to improve Mett's accuracy on deep passes which basically come down to timing and mechanics. Other area of focus should be red zone. IMO Mett just needs bigger targets, thats being addressed with the incoming Wr/Te's. On D, Chavis is putting the best athletes on the field. Look at the back 7 he is compiling with the '12, '13, and '14 classes.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 11:24 pm to SpookeyTiger
quote:Auburn won using a spread offense and so did Florida before that. Obviously pro style offenses work well too. Recent history shows you can be successful with both.
Whose argument? Who says they will win anything? I don't see anyone going to the NCG with this type of offense.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:41 am to bopper50
What does it matter it you're an Alum or not?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:53 am to TGHub
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Auburn won using a spread offense and so did Florida before that. Obviously pro style offenses work well too. Recent history shows you can be successful with both.
We dont recruit for a spread offense. What spread offense is running a 230lb rb? What spread offense has every olinemen over 310? What spread offense has mett as their qb?
the reason why fans are against change rt now, is because the players we have in place. People dreaming of 50-60 pts a game are delusional. We run a style of team that best fits the recruits we get.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 3:58 am
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:56 am to bopper50
We don't have the athletes for a spread offense, don't recruit the athletes for a spread offense, and have just started getting our pro-style offense off of the ground. I would just let it roll as it is in Mettenberger's final year.
You don't get left behind by maintaining a "traditional" offense, as long as the offense you maintain is strong. Georgia Tech got to the Orange Bowl a few years back with the triple option, after all. Problem isn't system, it's execution (on the player and coach ends). Keep the system, improve the execution, watch the fireworks.
You don't get left behind by maintaining a "traditional" offense, as long as the offense you maintain is strong. Georgia Tech got to the Orange Bowl a few years back with the triple option, after all. Problem isn't system, it's execution (on the player and coach ends). Keep the system, improve the execution, watch the fireworks.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 4:04 am to lsutothetop
I dont think people understand how LA HS football works. Best athletes play qb.
Mo Claiborne, Skyler Green, Early Doucet, Ruben Randle, Terrance Magee, and i know there are others i cant think of. Not to mention the 13 class that has multiple guys playing qb.
Te best player, like beckwith, plays qb in LA.
Mo Claiborne, Skyler Green, Early Doucet, Ruben Randle, Terrance Magee, and i know there are others i cant think of. Not to mention the 13 class that has multiple guys playing qb.
Te best player, like beckwith, plays qb in LA.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:08 am to bopper50
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ultra spread, read option offenses
Dont think this will happen at LSU with Leslie at the helm.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:19 am to Cap Crunch
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There was definite improvement in the offense this year.
I disagree. We looked better and we converted on third. We ran it worse as the season progressed but Mett hit some key third downs. That is the only difference. The offense is still the same and lacks execution, this is the fault of the offensive coaching staff.
Arkansas was not the exception, it is the norm, Bama was the exception.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:51 am to tigerfoot
quote:Huh? Did you watch us last year from Bama on? We have moved from a read option team to a more pro style offense. Passing numbers are up with that whole milestone of yardage being made recently. of course running is going to suffer a bit considering we can actually complete a pass now. Saying the offense is the same is just mind boggling. It's like a totally different team.
I disagree. We looked better and we converted on third. We ran it worse as the season progressed but Mett hit some key third downs. That is the only difference. The offense is still the same and lacks execution, this is the fault of the offensive coaching staff.
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