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Who was really in the right in Crimson Tide - Hackman or Washington?

Posted on 11/26/12 at 3:14 pm
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 11/26/12 at 3:14 pm
Caught parts of this movie a couple of times. But not sure I've seen it 100% straight through.

Anyway, caught a bit of it at lunch today and Denzel Washington says "I did everything by the book" But Gene Hackman seems pretty sure he is following protocol.

So, do they ever make it clear who was actually following the rules correctly?
Posted by Gnar Cat21
Piña Coladaburg
Member since Sep 2009
16835 posts
Posted on 11/26/12 at 3:17 pm to
Well gene Hackman was released and Denzel was promoted. Plus the fact that Hackman nearly started a nuclear war for no reason I think puts Denzel in the right
Posted by Cold Pizza
Member since Sep 2011
7639 posts
Posted on 11/26/12 at 3:19 pm to
Hackman was right. He had orders to launch. Washington was a hippie pacifist.
Posted by pillowpants
watch "clerks 2"
Member since Sep 2009
228 posts
Posted on 11/26/12 at 3:19 pm to
I was in the army not the navy, but there is protocol that has to be followed in situations like the one the USS Alabama was put in. An hackmans charector did not follow the right protocol. That is the reason the 2nd in command backed Denzel.
Posted by TDTGodfather
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/26/12 at 3:19 pm to
hackman would've started WW3. denzel just wanted confirmation.

i mean God help him if he's wrong, but if he's wrong we're at war, God help us all.
Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 11/26/12 at 3:22 pm to
Since Hackman was issuing an unlawful order Washington was in the right.
Posted by BigAppleTiger
New York City
Member since Dec 2008
10372 posts
Posted on 11/26/12 at 3:31 pm to
Great film. One of my favorites. Denzel was right.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64887 posts
Posted on 11/26/12 at 3:36 pm to
They were both right. Captain Ramsey was right in wanting to launch the missiles. He had direct orders from the high command to do so. He had a pretty good counter-argument to Commander Hunter's redundancy theory - the idea that other subs were out there and that they would launch if the orders still stood. Ramsey had to assume that those subs were destroyed by the Russian rebels and that he was the only sub left capable of launching.

On the other hand, Ramsey did break protocol and was rightly relieved of command. The XO has to concur with the captain's decision and he did not concur. Therefore, they were to stand down. Ramsey was out of order trying to relieve Hunter from his position for failing to concur.

This post was edited on 11/26/12 at 3:38 pm
Posted by la_birdman
Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 11/26/12 at 3:37 pm to
DW
Posted by Backinthe615
Member since Nov 2011
6871 posts
Posted on 11/26/12 at 5:06 pm to
Denzel was right, about the horses that is. Great ending.
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