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re: Overall just very disappointed with the lack of creativity on offense
Posted on 11/26/12 at 1:36 pm to CAT
Posted on 11/26/12 at 1:36 pm to CAT
! We don't design our offense around the opponents defense. We just run our same 4 plays over and over and count on the other team
To turn it over 4 or 5 times so we can steal a win. See every game this season. If we don't get turnovers we loose to AUBURN, that's right goddam auburn, Texas am, ole sis and ark! We needed turnovers to win all of those games! This team has too much talent to rely on turnovers to win! That's the definition of poor coaching. Miles is paid, all of the sheep on this site and in Baton Rouge are telling him how great he is. Why would he look to improve? He needs someone pushing him to get better. Watch a tape of the San Fran 49 ers. If you can't learn anything from that get out of coaching.
To turn it over 4 or 5 times so we can steal a win. See every game this season. If we don't get turnovers we loose to AUBURN, that's right goddam auburn, Texas am, ole sis and ark! We needed turnovers to win all of those games! This team has too much talent to rely on turnovers to win! That's the definition of poor coaching. Miles is paid, all of the sheep on this site and in Baton Rouge are telling him how great he is. Why would he look to improve? He needs someone pushing him to get better. Watch a tape of the San Fran 49 ers. If you can't learn anything from that get out of coaching.
This post was edited on 11/26/12 at 1:37 pm
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Posted on 11/26/12 at 1:41 pm to nf
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The defense got burned, but that's going to happen sometimes. If the offense didn't consistently put them in a position where they HAD to be perfect to win games that would be ideal. Sure, it's going to happen every now and then, but the inability of the offense to put games away when they were there for the taking is a huge issue because no defense is perfect and you can't keep expecting them to be perfect.
The same is true for an offense.
I didn't realize not giving up 70 yard TD drives in 90 seconds meant perfection.
You can't expect them to be perfect and put up 30 points a game, especially when that offense is young and inexperienced. Overall the offense improved as the year went on, but still had some kinks to work out. Hopefully next year we can be a better road team.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 1:43 pm to golf teaching pro
Can anyone honestly say they don't think a slightly more creative offense this year may have won at least one of the games we lost?
Yes people on here are just delighted to be where we are now! There's a word for that its called complacent. Your happy your coach and you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to be 10-2. I am going to tell you something, that complacency is what turns 10-2 teams in to 6-6 teams fast. It's also the reason it takes 5 years to widen Perkins road in Baton Rouge
Yes people on here are just delighted to be where we are now! There's a word for that its called complacent. Your happy your coach and you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to be 10-2. I am going to tell you something, that complacency is what turns 10-2 teams in to 6-6 teams fast. It's also the reason it takes 5 years to widen Perkins road in Baton Rouge
Posted on 11/26/12 at 1:46 pm to golf teaching pro
Hey I remember when we went 2-10 under Curley Hallman you young bucks need to be happy with wins and any bowls blah blah blah rabble rabble rabble fart
Posted on 11/26/12 at 1:48 pm to golf teaching pro
Let's get something straight. LSU has and always will be a ground and pound attack under Les' watch. Can't blame him with our stable of RBs and with a healthy O-line and consistent QB play, LSU would have been unstoppable this year.
Can't see LSU offense turning into something like Oregon's spread. Creativity would be more entertaining, but stick with what you know works. Les was criticized for not throwing the ball more and he has aired it out more often (not more efficiently) than previous years.
I do get frustrated when I see Mett but a hand behind his back at the LOS and TELL the defensive where we are running the ball.
The 4th down play calling has been horendous this year. Nonetheless, this style of offense is what I've come to expect from Miles. No OC will change that imo
Can't see LSU offense turning into something like Oregon's spread. Creativity would be more entertaining, but stick with what you know works. Les was criticized for not throwing the ball more and he has aired it out more often (not more efficiently) than previous years.
I do get frustrated when I see Mett but a hand behind his back at the LOS and TELL the defensive where we are running the ball.
The 4th down play calling has been horendous this year. Nonetheless, this style of offense is what I've come to expect from Miles. No OC will change that imo
Posted on 11/26/12 at 1:55 pm to Cajun_Jedi
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do get frustrated when I see Mett but a hand behind his back at the LOS and TELL the defensive where we are running the ball.
Not sure if serious
Posted on 11/26/12 at 2:02 pm to EarthwormJim
No reason to open up the offense and get crazy when the game is close. The A&M game was the first game in the season where it appeared the coaches are comfortable with the offense enough to open it up when we were down before the end of the first half. Why go full throttle and risk turn-overs and giving the other team momentum from potential mistakes. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that running our power run game is a bad idea. There are only a few teams the last two years who can match up against our offense in a power run game and slow it down.
For the most part, when we played those teams the offensive coaches opened up and did what we needed to. (Except for the Florida game. which again at that point in the season we were still searching for our o-line because of injuries. The coaches didn't feel that o-line could provide Mett the time needed to run deeper routes which take longer to develop. Not to mention at that point in the season the receivers had the dropsies. Even with that, we were marching down and had a huge play from ODB. That play and that whole drive was ended due to a fumble. I guess thats Mile's fault too.
For the most part, when we played those teams the offensive coaches opened up and did what we needed to. (Except for the Florida game. which again at that point in the season we were still searching for our o-line because of injuries. The coaches didn't feel that o-line could provide Mett the time needed to run deeper routes which take longer to develop. Not to mention at that point in the season the receivers had the dropsies. Even with that, we were marching down and had a huge play from ODB. That play and that whole drive was ended due to a fumble. I guess thats Mile's fault too.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 2:04 pm to EarthwormJim
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The same is true for an offense.
I didn't realize not giving up 70 yard TD drives in 90 seconds meant perfection.
You can't expect them to be perfect and put up 30 points a game, especially when that offense is young and inexperienced. Overall the offense improved as the year went on, but still had some kinks to work out. Hopefully next year we can be a better road team.
30 points a game is not some mythical number. A&M, Alabama, Georgia, and Tennessee all managed 30 ppg or more in SEC play. LSU managed 22.5 and that number is greatly inflated by the last few games of the season against teams who are in the bottom half of scoring defense in the SEC.
Yes, the offense improved as the year went on, and I hope the trend continues. But you can't lay all of the blame for a loss on your defense when the offense only puts up 17 points with 435 yards. We had red zone problems all year that meant that the defense was constantly on the hook to play lights out. I'm not surprised that they were burnt out by the end of the season, after bailing out the offense time and time again.
Look, LSU was averaging 22 PPG in SEC play. That is not enough to win every game. It just isn't. No defense is good enough to win every game when your offense is playing that badly. If your defense keeps the #1 team in the country to 21 points (I don't care how many seconds it took them to score them) then they have done a good enough job that your offense needs to be able to seal the deal. They didn't though, they put the defense in yet another must-win situation, and the defense got beat.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 2:22 pm to Cajun_Jedi
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I do get frustrated when I see Mett but a hand behind his back at the LOS and TELL the defensive where we are running the ball.
This says more about the typical LSU fan's football knowledge and general awareness of the importance of keeping quiet when you don't know what you're talking about than almost anything I can imagine.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 2:28 pm to nf
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Look, LSU was averaging 22 PPG in SEC play. That is not enough to win every game. It just isn't. No defense is good enough to win every game when your offense is playing that badly. If your defense keeps the #1 team in the country to 21 points (I don't care how many seconds it took them to score them) then they have done a good enough job that your offense needs to be able to seal the deal. They didn't though, they put the defense in yet another must-win situation, and the defense got beat.
It's obviuos LSU had some problems on offense this year, no one is denying that. We were young, inexperienced, and made too many mistakes.
I'm not willing to give LSU's defense a pass and it wasn't because they were put in these "must-win situations" you are referring to or because they were worn down.
The offense improved towards the end of the year and played well enough to win ball games, while the defense regressed.
Over the last 6 games of the season LSU's offense averaged 27 ppg and 380 ypg, while the defense gave up 21 ppg and 371 ypg including 3 straight 300 yd passers and over 460 yards in their last 2 games.
During that span of games LSU's average TOP was 33.25, while opponents averaged 26.35. So the worn out defense doesn't carry any weight.
LSU's offense wasn't incredible this year, but it won games for us and put us in position to win multiple times, when our defense let us down.
This post was edited on 11/26/12 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 11/26/12 at 2:28 pm to golf teaching pro
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I am going to tell you something, that complacency is what turns 10-2 teams in to 6-6 teams fast
this is why your posts are largely ignored...
Posted on 11/26/12 at 2:33 pm to golf teaching pro
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! We don't design our offense around the opponents defense. We just run our same 4 plays over and over and count on the other team
To turn it over 4 or 5 times so we can steal a win
This is true. LSU plays the game of attrition. It works vs average to poor teams, and they needed all the turnovers vs Ole Miss and Arkansas to win.
I don't think this offense has to be as hot/cold and predictable as it appears, I just think the throttle is held down to prevent mistakes.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 2:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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and they needed all the turnovers vs Ole Miss
I'm confused here, you're blaming the offense for the Ole Miss game? The defense gave up 462 yards and the offense had 427 yards. The turnover battle was 3:4 in our favor.
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I don't think this offense has to be as hot/cold and predictable as it appears, I just think the throttle is held down to prevent mistakes.
Sure you could argue that, but I would take the other side and say mistakes hold down the offense and make it hot/cold.
At home, our offense made few mistakes and we were very hard to defend. On the road we made an abundance of mistakes and that makes your offense more preditcable.
Take a look at our Offensive production in our 9 biggest games this year. At home we averaged 31.8 points and we only gained less than 400yds once, 392 against MSU.
On the road, we averaged 15.5 points and only went over 350 yards once, 351 against Auburn.
In those 5 home games we gave up 6 sacks, on the road we gave up 11. This year our offense played only as well as the O-line did, no amount of creativity would fix that.
This post was edited on 11/26/12 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 11/26/12 at 3:09 pm to golf teaching pro
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I can't remember a single play this year where I said, "wow brilliant play call!"
I can. Loved the warecat pitch to Ford in the A&M game. Completely surprised by that.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 3:37 pm to golf teaching pro
quote:What you learn is they are mature professionals and more talented than an All SEC squad. Due to compliance, these amateurs get 20hrs a week and you think they should have the 49er schemes down pat?
Watch a tape of the San Fran 49 ers. If you can't learn anything from that get out of coaching.
Bottom line is if you can't execute the Power, Dive, Hitch and Slants, how good would you execute more intricate runs and routes?
If you can't stay engaged or protect, fancy shite is very ugly.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 3:46 pm to golf teaching pro
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if a 7 year old knows what your running 80 percent of the time
This is such a load of crap. Golf Pro, you couldn't predict LSU's plays. Try it. During the bowl game write down and distance before each play, then write your prediction when LSU lines up, then write the actual play. Now, be specific. Examples: toss dive to the right, bubble screen, deep post, screen pass, option, etc. You won't get 15% right.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 3:51 pm to LSU GrandDad
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production is all that matters. and i don't think that's what he's talking about at all. too many times, our play calling goes into super conservative mode; all GOOD teams do this but we do this so often defenses plan for it and we can't run the damn ball against 8 man fronts in those situations. it's like we need short yardage and we never do anything but run up the middle in that situation. WE HAVE TOO MANY TENDENCIES and they are highly predictable. Stanford and Notre Dame run the same offense with the same plays we do. there are other successful teams that do it too. we need to not always run the same damn play in certain situations. i'm not "creativity" is the right word because some of the yahoos on here will never be satisfied until we run oregons offense but we NEED TO EXAMINE OUR TENDENCIES this offseason if we want a trip back to the NC.
I love this kinda critiquing from you. That's all I've ever said. That's the only frustrating part to me about Les Miles. Good man. Good coach. But stubborn.
I agree 110% with your post sir and think you are a great fan. I don't want miles canned. It's just frustrating Bc I know Miles can do better than what he has been doing with this offense. LSU could/can be alot better on offense. It's not impossible.
Very good analysis by you and enjoy FB conversations that don't turn into negatiger baby name calling.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 3:51 pm to Penrod
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This is such a load of crap. Golf Pro, you couldn't predict LSU's plays. Try it. During the bowl game write down and distance before each play, then write your prediction when LSU lines up, then write the actual play. Now, be specific. Examples: toss dive to the right, bubble screen, deep post, screen pass, option, etc. You won't get 15% right.
From his posts in this thread, I'm convinced that his knowledge of plays extends to run, pass, "halfback pass, a flee flicker, a hook and latter, a Statue of Liberty"
Posted on 11/26/12 at 3:56 pm to Penrod
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Golf Pro, you couldn't predict LSU's plays.
like most fans, after a play is ran he proclaims "I knew they were going to run that play"
Posted on 11/26/12 at 4:05 pm to golf teaching pro
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Can anyone honestly say they don't think a slightly more creative offense this year may have won at least one of the games we lost?
Versus Florida, we couldn't execute the basic offense so I don't know how you expect us to execute anything more complicated.
Versus Bama, the offense wasn't the issue. If anything it was too creative with the 4th & 2 Warecat, the onside kick, the fake FG, etc.
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