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RCDfan1950
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Not to buy into the economic issues, BL...but Corporations ARE PEOPLE. The profits go to the STOCKHOLDERS. People who invest their savings in those corporate entities. Unions, State and company pensions...and blue collar folk off the street.

Those Corporations have a MORAL OBLIGATION to individuals and groups who invest in them. Like looking out for the best interest of those who put their hard-earned savings in has somehow become immoral or unjust! Another lie from the 'on another planet' Left! The 'blind leading the blind'...into the moral ditch.






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mograyback
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You are way off base here and likely arguing just because you enjoy the fun of it. I am all for systems that encourage good behavior such as "corporate welfare" that incentivizes business growth and job creation.

As many posters above have demonstrated we have a society of takers. It needs to stop. Your arguments would hold more value if you would address those that "game" the system instead of being parasitic.


I'm fairly certain you don't even understand the angle I've been coming at.

The point is, people can't sit around and complain about welfare takers and not lump in corporations with that. The mainstream perception of welfare is that it goes to lazy people sitting at home not working. Well the reality is A LOT of it goes to corporations, and usually the largest corporations. The biggest chunk of it goes to agriculture, we subsidize corn yet grow a surplus of it.. which makes no sense. I'm saying we should be aware of both sides when we complain.



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badlands
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'm saying we should be aware of both type of leaching when we complain.



I agree to a point. But one form of leach gives something back. THe other nothing.






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lsusaintsfan4life
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I don't have a problem with your above argument but you must not overlook those that simply take with no value to society. Personally, I don't mind subsidizing things that incentivizes good behavior. You could argue that I'm wrong but its my belief.





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mograyback
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Not to buy into the economic issues, BL...but Corporations ARE PEOPLE. The profits go to the STOCKHOLDERS. People who invest their savings in those corporate entities. Unions, State and company pensions...and blue collar folk off the street.

Those Corporations have a MORAL OBLIGATION to individuals and groups who invest in them. Like looking out for the best interest of those who put their hard-earned savings in has somehow become immoral or unjust! Another lie from the 'on another planet' Left! The 'blind leading the blind'...into the moral ditch.


My goodness.

Do you realize the problems that are caused by what you just said..

What happens when corporations act in the best interest of the men sitting in a board room, and it's stockholders?

It means that it most certainly acts in ways that do NOT benefit the betterment of the planet, or mankind as a whole. (yes, I realize that sounds liberal, and I'm sure it doesn't sit well with you but it is the truth).

And you're the one talking about a 'moral ditch', incredible.



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mograyback
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I don't have a problem with your above argument but you must not overlook those that simply take with no value to society. Personally, I don't mind subsidizing things that incentivizes good behavior. You could argue that I'm wrong but its my belief.


Haha, I gotcha man. I'll try and keep both sides in mind. (smacking hand on forehead).

That has been my entire point, to look at both sides. But thanks for reminding me..

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Personally, I don't mind subsidizing things that incentivizes good behavior


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Lsut81
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Theres been a lot of crap posted since I stepped away and I don't feel like reading it, but I think everyone can agree that reform needs to happen across the board.


Do corporations use loopholes to get away with shit? Yes
Do a lower class individuals take take take? Yes

The only way shite is going to get accomplished is if both sides come to the middle. There is a reason why independents have become more and more important and that is because people are starting to see that shite isn't black and white. There is a ton of grey area and thats where govt needs to play.






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mograyback
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Do corporations use loopholes to get away with shit? Yes
Do a lower class individuals take take take? Yes


It's more than just loopholes and tax breaks.

I don't think people have it built in their head that corporations are gifted 100 billion dollars annually. That fact isn't apart of the common mans mindset.

In fact, the average guy probably doesn't know what exactly a subsidy is.. and certainly doesn't know that 100 billion dollars worth of them are given away every year.

I'm not defending social welfare, its bad and out of control. I'm just saying this one sided blame game is just wrong.






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RCDfan1950
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I'm saying we should be aware of both type of leaching when we complain.


I'm waiting...Mo. You're dodging the OP, by deflecting a the supposed *immorality* of Corporate 'subsidies'.

Corporations...PRODUCE. If they don't...they go away. UNLESS...the government props them up, for an altruistic purpose rather than the profit motive. Or worse - as in the case of Union cronyism and vote buying re Obama - political immorality.

I just wonder what responsibility the Left will assume...when the lack of any moral principle 'chickens' re unqualified subsidization...come home to roost. Wonder how LBJ would access the success of his Great Society programs on those whom he intended to raise?

Oh well..."behold, there is a way that SEEMETH RIGHT unto man...but the end thereof is destruction" (Biblical). Live and learn.

I'm goin fishin...and the Good Lord willing...might hit Fat Boy's on the pass for an oyster dinner. And I harbor no grudge at the 'poor' enjoying an oyster po-boy too. Though the spirit is far more important than the stomach. IMHO.







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badlands
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mograyback



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Lsut81


I am out of my depth. In essence both ends of the spectrum are part of a money grab. One side comes off as more socially appealing.



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Lsut81
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I don't think people have it built in their head that corporations are gifted 100 billion dollars annually. That fact isn't apart of the common mans mindset.



Sure, its a lot, but I would say that ROI is a whole of a hell lot better than the ROI on social programs, just sayin....







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mograyback
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Corporations...PRODUCE


Tell me what Solyndra produced? One of the largest benefactors of corporate subsidies. I'll hang up and listen.

I'm haven't dodged the op you belligerent narrow minded man. I've addressed it, and offered an alternative view to it. I've simply stated that we are quick to bash social welfare, yet we are totally unaware of what is given away in subsidies.

Even your boy O'Reilly thinks subsidies are wrong. The idea of giving to corporations because they produce is extremely flawed (see Solyndra, among others).

And I'd still love someone to explain to me how it's okay for a businessman to write off a bottle of wine, yet complain about someone using a food stamp.






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Lsut81
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Tell me what Solyndra produced? One of the largest benefactors of corporate subsidies. I'll hang up and listen.


You must not hang around here often, you will not find 1 person on this board that supports the green energy handouts that the Obama administration gave away as payback to his cronies.






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mograyback
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Sure, its a lot, but I would say that ROI is a whole of a hell lot better than the ROI on social programs, just sayin....


Extremely common myth.

Its an excellent myth because the foundation of it makes sense, of course giving to a corporation is going to have a higher ROI than giving to some dumb lazy individual.

But, it's extremely narrow minded and very flawed.

Often times the corporate subsidies given are a huge waste. They go to companies that end up bankrupt. The largest chunk goes to agriculture, in part to ensure we grow a surplus of corn (which makes no sense). These subsidies go to the biggest farms who don't need them the most, the money should go to the smaller farms but it doesn't.

And again, this isn't even touching on write offs, bail outs, exporting tax shelters, and all kinds of other nonsense.



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mograyback
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You must not hang around here often, you will not find 1 person on this board that supports the green energy handouts that the Obama administration gave away as payback to his cronies.


(Slapping hand on forehead).

I hate Obama.

But you guys have such severe tunnel vision over this political stuff, it really blinds you all from the truth. That is all I'll say about that.






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badlands
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mograyback



what do you read to find this stuff out? Serious question.



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Lsut81
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Extremely common myth.


Really?

Please show me how many people those receiving unemployment, welfare, and foodstamps employ...

TIA






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mograyback
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I think most of it just comes from awareness, not particular sources. My awareness comes from taking bits from Fox, some from CNN, some from RT, some from classic books, some from listening to lectures or interviews from interesting people...


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mograyback
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Really?

Please show me how many people those receiving unemployment, welfare, and foodstamps employ...

TIA



The myth is that giving to corporations automatically means a ROI. That is totally false. That is what I'm talking about.

Have I defended social welfare?






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TrueTiger
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Only to do their best, and really they owe that to themselves. If they did this, the rest would fall into place.

"If a man has done his best, what else is there?" -- G. Patton, Jr.



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