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Boats n Hose
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HIP certification for migratory birds


What is it? It was free and all I had to say at wal marks was "I need a federal duck stamp and hip certification" and I got my stamp and a printed out hip certification thing on ldwf license paper I had to sign and keep on me. Is there supposed to be more to it than that? Because that just seems totally pointless.






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El Josey Wales
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re: HIP certification for migratory birds


They are supposed to axe you how many birds you killed the year before.





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Boats n Hose
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re: HIP certification for migratory birds


It was late and she looked ready to GTFO...I guess that's why it went down that way

Didn't really matter, I didn't duck hunt last year



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Tom Selleck
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I was going to ask this same question in the other thread. I don't think I even asked for it and certainly didn't answer any questions.





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Geauxtiga
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I used to keep a log but most people don't know a true number anyway.





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wickowick
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It ask questions on migratory birds killed the year before, ducks, dove, woodcock and a few others. Nothing more than a survey..





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Nascar Fan
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quote:

Nothing more than a survey..






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NASA_ISS_Tiger
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Huntsville, Al via Sulphur, LA
Member since Sep 2005
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re: HIP certification for migratory birds


Harvest Information Program.
Just wanna know what you killed in the previous year.






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VernonPLSUfan
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re: HIP certification for migratory birds


I wonder where the info goes? I guess I could look it up. Nnnnnnnoooooooootttttttttttt!





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Lreynolds
Member since Mar 2012
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re: HIP certification for migratory birds


Here's a short primer about the Harvest Information Program:

1. The Feds are responsible for collecting harvest data as part of their requirements for opening a duck season. In other words, duck seasons are CLOSED unless justification is provided to open them, not vice-versa. Until 1999, only hunters who bought their federal Duck Stamp at selected Post Offices and returned a contact card were eligible to be selected for the Harvest Surveys. Because more and more hunters bought their Stamp at Wal-mart, Cabela's, LDWF, etc. there were fewer and fewer hunters to participate in the surveys and thus poorer and poorer harvest data.

2. In response to threats from anti-hunting forces to close the duck season because of inadequate harvest information, HIP was formulated to do 3 things: 1) get addresses for every hunter that intended to hunt migratory birds, and 2) find out which of those hunters hunted doves, woodcock, snipe, gallinules, etc. (because prior to HIP, harvest estimates for those species came only from duck hunters who also shot them), and 3) find out which hunters are high-kill and which are low-kill so they can sample appropriately to get the best harvest info for the least amount of money.

3. So when you register for HIP, the vendor is supposed to ask you if you hunted ducks, geese, doves, woodcock, snipe, gallinules, etc. and approximately how many you killed. That is NOT the harvest data .... how can it be when the harvest estimates are published in July and you aren't buying your license and registering with HIP until August or September? No, those questions are used to stratify hunters into High (>10), Medium (1-10), and Low (zero) kill groups from which a sample is selected. We select about 6% of High, 4% of Medium, and 2% of Low kill hunters and ask them to participate in the Harvest Surveys.

4. Many retailers do NOT ask the questions because it slows up their line, which is BS because they get paid to collect that information. What they do is just answer "No" to the first question, "Did you hunt migratory birds last year" and then go on about their business. I've made scenes at Cabela's in Gonzales, Wal-mart in Jennings, and Academy in Baton Rouge, because I'm the one guy that pays for and uses those data in my program, and you better damn well ask me those questions.

I know it's too late for most of us this year, and most of you don't give a damn ..... but I would appreciate it if you would insist that they ask you the questions. That really pisses them off because HIP is free, but LDWF pays the vendors for collecting that information.

5. You have to register with HIP in every state you hunt; it's not like the federal Duck Stamp which is valid wherever you go. Then if you are selected, you will receive a "Diary" to record all of your hunts and how many ducks, geese, and coots you kill. From hunters that were selected, participated, and reported killing at least 1 duck last year, another sample is selected and those hunters are asked to submit wings from every duck and tails from every goose they kill. Taken together, the "diaries" and the wings make up the harvest data that are reported in documents like those at: LINK

So that is where the information goes.



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rouxster
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well, lreynolds, i answer my hip questions the same for every state that i hunt in...i hunt all species and kill NONE. so your numbers are skewed by the hundreds i kill each year. same for many of my hunting partners, fyi...





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Boats n Hose
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re: HIP certification for migratory birds


Wait, you're saying you lie about it? Why?





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AboveGroundPool
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re: HIP certification for migratory birds


they ask u, sometimes...

then u look at em with a blank look and tell them a number that's probably not even remotely close to what u shot bc u don't give a damn about keeping track most of the time






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Lreynolds
Member since Mar 2012
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i hunt all species and kill NONE. so your numbers are skewed by the hundreds i kill each year.


You must have missed the part about those HIP registration questions NOT being the harvest data.

Falsely saying that you kill "none" when you kill hundreds has the same effect as the clerk not asking you the HIP registration questions at all. It simply makes the sample of hunters selected for the surveys more like a "completely random" sample than a "stratified random" sample, which doesn't skew the estimate at all. It just increases the variation around the estimate which forces us to take more samples to get a prescribed level of confidence which just costs more of your money.

That's real smart .....






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Lreynolds
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u look at em with a blank look and tell them a number that's probably not even remotely close to what u shot bc u don't give a damn about keeping track most of the time


That's OK because the HIP registrations questions are NOT the harvest data and the strata are 0, 1-10, and >10.

(I must not have written that very clearly above)

Most dedicated duckhunters are surprised how many guys only hunt a couple times a year and kill zero to 10 ducks. It's the vast majority of license-buyers.






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brass2mouth
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We keep a running log each year, not so much for the HIP, more so we can look back on prior years and see if there has been an incline or decline.

Just interesting to see how many and what kind of birds we killed in 07 compared to now.






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Boats n Hose
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re: HIP certification for migratory birds


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Most dedicated duckhunters are surprised how many guys only hunt a couple times a year and kill zero to 10 ducks. It's the vast majority of license-buyers.

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