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Force Fetching Retrievers?
Posted on 11/21/12 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 11/21/12 at 7:30 pm
My dog is being trained now and at first he was responding well. When they started him on the forcing table he didnt take to it very good. He has been on the table a while now and my trainer said he is improving, but they dont like the owners to visit while they are forcing. I work offshore and really dont have time to visit anyways. should i be concerned about my dog? he has been on the table a little over two weeks. Does anyone have experience with forcing a dog.
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Posted on 11/21/12 at 7:38 pm to NotFromTown
I force fetched my dog and did a slow process. Over a month. But i did a slow non overly aggressive method.
It worked really well though. Didnt force fetch my first dog.
It worked really well though. Didnt force fetch my first dog.
Posted on 11/21/12 at 7:38 pm to NotFromTown
I wouldn't be concerned. If the dog is going to be a serious hunting of field trial dog he needs to be force fetched. 2 weeks ought to be getting close to done though. I would assume the reason they don't want people there for force fetching is they are causing "discomfort" to the dog and its possible an owner would freak out over it. No matter how you slice it the "discomfort" has to exist in force fetching so this guy isn't doing anything wrong or different than any other trained dog has been through.
Posted on 11/21/12 at 7:42 pm to LouisianaChessie
I'm not a bird hunter so I'm confused. What is force fetching?
Posted on 11/21/12 at 7:50 pm to 4X4DEMON
I've never understood what force fetching was either. From the YouTube videos I have watched, it is either making them hold onto something until you tell them to release it, or telling them to pick something up and they do it. My dog figured that out kinda on his own
I am guessing that there are some types of dogs that wouldn't take well to it. Only the haedest-headed and driven of them would be able to tolerate it. The trainer should notice that and train differently if so. Some trainers just go one way and that is it
I am guessing that there are some types of dogs that wouldn't take well to it. Only the haedest-headed and driven of them would be able to tolerate it. The trainer should notice that and train differently if so. Some trainers just go one way and that is it
Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:49 pm to Hammertime
Maybe some can explain better but FF is the act of training a dog to hold a reterive until told to drop. It also teaches the dog that retrieving is not a game but a command that must be obeyed. To have a dog that is good with blind retervies FF must be done. Also and most importantly FF separates the back yard dogs from the field trial and the dogs that people brag about. I know still vague.
It's a long process don't worry about your dog
It's a long process don't worry about your dog
Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:54 pm to jmkidder
Force fetching also institutes a no balk retrieve....ie u say fetch he better come back w something.....
And hold to delivery
And hold to delivery
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:02 pm to choupiquesushi
Difference between my forced fetched dog and my non is my non force fetched will drop ducks about 3 ft away from. My forced fetched will return to heel and not moved until told to release
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:04 pm to choupiquesushi
FF can take up to a month depending upon the dog and making sure it's done correctly.
IMO FF is THE most important part of the foundation for a retriever. THere are many varying opinions on FF from those that don't know what it's all about. For the unknowing observer FF seems barbaric and cruel. However it teaches the dog so much. The handler is the boss, hold until told otherwise, pick the bird up and come back, NO exceptions.
You can train a dog without FF, but it is a very helpful tool in making a better dog.
IMO FF is THE most important part of the foundation for a retriever. THere are many varying opinions on FF from those that don't know what it's all about. For the unknowing observer FF seems barbaric and cruel. However it teaches the dog so much. The handler is the boss, hold until told otherwise, pick the bird up and come back, NO exceptions.
You can train a dog without FF, but it is a very helpful tool in making a better dog.
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:15 pm to jimjackandjose
Yeah my last dog wasnt forced and sometimes she would drop a duck as soon as she climbed out the water. it was aggravating if it was a cripple and i had to climb out the blind to chase it down or possibly lose it in thick cover.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 7:52 am to NotFromTown
Just what the DaHammer said!!
Posted on 11/22/12 at 2:56 pm to jimjackandjose
quote:This is essentially what it's all about, having control over your dog.
Difference between my forced fetched dog and my non is my non force fetched will drop ducks about 3 ft away from. My forced fetched will return to heel and not moved until told to release
A dog (lab) retrieves instinctively; however, once you force train him he does it because/when you tell him. It's the way to go imo.
People don't understand how to use pressure. Used correctly, the dog doing "right" turns the pressure off.
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